...it seems to me that having a self-calibrating TV is a bit stupid if you're going to watch the thing in a huge white room with a wall of windows. In that environment you'd be lucky to tell the difference between the B&O and the Wal-Mart store brand. Assuming they're not using the same panel anyway...
Sounds about right for B&O, purveyors of overpriced tat to male yuppies with too much cash for their trouser pockets. If they want to rip off Tarquin Tax-Lawyer and Simon Stockbroker with yet another pointless willy-waving gadget, it's no skin off my nose.
Marc, it's quite possible that the model you look at is the big model (which is listed at €8000 RRP).
And Graham, stop being a sour grape... B&O sound quality is top grade. Their headphones for example have the most fantastic sound (better than many others, including some Sennheiser models). I'm not the richest man on the planet, but I will pay for B&O quality stuff.
So can it save different values for each input? Does it make you go through all the inputs? Because the settings good for DVD are mostly useless for videogames or regular TV, and if you have vintage devices such as Laserdisc players or - gasp - a VCR you will definitely want separate picture values for those. I think this is pretty much a waste, as most people don't give a damn about properly setting up their TV, but out of the three people who do AND still buy B&O, one might be happy with this. So thumbs up for that guy, while the other two just set stuff by hand, spinning a copy of Video Essentials.
I remember the B&O video recorders, a bog standard Hitachi machine with some fancy brushed aluminium and shiny black plastic bits stuck on. Oh, and a price tag that was three times the one on the equivalent Hitachi machine for sale in the shop a few doors away.. Still, someone has to separate yuppies and stupid people from their money.
The B&O plasmas are (at least were, last time I looked) Panasonic panels, but they have their own, higher quality, electronics hanging off the back. So while the improvement over the Panny model is incremental, it's pretty clear if you look, particularly with standard-def sources.
Their hifi equipment is excellent, and if you're spending that kind of money on something that looks flash, kicks that horrible Bose stuff all around the park for sound and build quality.
Shure, like B&O. are off-the-shelf standard stuff. Try custom made Ultimate Ears, Sensaphonics or ACS if you want earphones ultimate in sound quality. Actually, B&O are kind of a joke in this context.
A quick Google puts a pair of their bottom-of-the-range custom earphones (UE 5 Pros) at a touch over £500. B&O Earphones are around £90.
Yes, your professional monitors cost more money. There's ALWAYS a way to get better quality if you can afford it. That doesn't make the B&Os a joke in their own right, any more than their home audio range is just because a decent Meridian pre/pro setup is even better.
Samsung UN55B8000 55" LED TV (Widescreen, 1920x1080, HDTV)
LG Electronics 42LH30 42" LCD TV (Widescreen, 1920x1080, HDTV)
Samsung UN55B8500 55" LED TV (Widescreen, 1920x1080, HDTV)
Sony BRAVIA KDL-40EX400 40" LCD TV (Widescreen, 1920x1080, HDTV)
Samsung UN46B8500 46" LED TV (Widescreen, 1920x1080, HDTV)
Bert Ragnarok
Slight problem... #
Posted Thursday 31st January 2008 15:41 GMT
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I note that, not only is your spell-checker using US English, but it doesn't even know any Latin!
Aren't I the smug b*st*rd.
I'll get my toga.
Marc
4000 €, strange #
Posted Thursday 31st January 2008 15:41 GMT
Hmm - Listprice of the BeoVision 4 in Germany is 8423 Euros, plus VAT...
Anonymous Coward
The camera calibrates the TV so... #
Posted Thursday 31st January 2008 15:41 GMT
...what calibrates the camera?
Phil Driscoll
Calibrating the camera #
Posted Thursday 31st January 2008 15:42 GMT
Every 500 hours does a message come up on screen asking you to stick a well lit test card on the screen so the camera can calibibrate itself?
David Wiernicki
Of course... #
Posted Thursday 31st January 2008 16:33 GMT
...it seems to me that having a self-calibrating TV is a bit stupid if you're going to watch the thing in a huge white room with a wall of windows. In that environment you'd be lucky to tell the difference between the B&O and the Wal-Mart store brand. Assuming they're not using the same panel anyway...
Graham Bartlett
B&O - typical #
Posted Thursday 31st January 2008 16:55 GMT
Sounds about right for B&O, purveyors of overpriced tat to male yuppies with too much cash for their trouser pockets. If they want to rip off Tarquin Tax-Lawyer and Simon Stockbroker with yet another pointless willy-waving gadget, it's no skin off my nose.
xyz
I thought the headline said B & Q... #
Posted Thursday 31st January 2008 17:18 GMT
...I'll get me coat
Morely Dotes
Imagine my surprise #
Posted Thursday 31st January 2008 18:03 GMT
You were talking about Bang & Olafsen. Here I was thinking the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad was branching out into etertainment electronics.
Anonymous Coward
Re: 4000 €, strange and B&O - typical #
Posted Thursday 31st January 2008 18:03 GMT
Marc, it's quite possible that the model you look at is the big model (which is listed at €8000 RRP).
And Graham, stop being a sour grape... B&O sound quality is top grade. Their headphones for example have the most fantastic sound (better than many others, including some Sennheiser models). I'm not the richest man on the planet, but I will pay for B&O quality stuff.
Anonymous Coward
Really? #
Posted Thursday 31st January 2008 19:36 GMT
So can it save different values for each input? Does it make you go through all the inputs? Because the settings good for DVD are mostly useless for videogames or regular TV, and if you have vintage devices such as Laserdisc players or - gasp - a VCR you will definitely want separate picture values for those. I think this is pretty much a waste, as most people don't give a damn about properly setting up their TV, but out of the three people who do AND still buy B&O, one might be happy with this. So thumbs up for that guy, while the other two just set stuff by hand, spinning a copy of Video Essentials.
Cameron Colley
RE: Slight problem... #
Posted Thursday 31st January 2008 19:38 GMT
Erm, you are kidding about the spell check, right?
Anon: Try Shure if you like quality earphones.
David H
Camera shy #
Posted Thursday 31st January 2008 19:38 GMT
Wonder if the TV automatically switches channels if the camera sees that you're watching a cheap reality TV show?
Anonymous Coward
@graham Bartlett #
Posted Thursday 31st January 2008 20:14 GMT
I remember the B&O video recorders, a bog standard Hitachi machine with some fancy brushed aluminium and shiny black plastic bits stuck on. Oh, and a price tag that was three times the one on the equivalent Hitachi machine for sale in the shop a few doors away.. Still, someone has to separate yuppies and stupid people from their money.
Alan Gregson
@Anonymous Coward #
Posted Thursday 31st January 2008 22:31 GMT
B & O never used Hitachi VCRs (which were pretty decent quality anyway) they used Philips & Panasonic.
Marc
Nope, Anonymous Coward #
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 11:35 GMT
The 65 Inch model is 15828 € without the Control Unit.
http://www.radio-ring.de/Preisliste_B_O_.pdf
Iain
re: B&O using others components #
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 11:35 GMT
The B&O plasmas are (at least were, last time I looked) Panasonic panels, but they have their own, higher quality, electronics hanging off the back. So while the improvement over the Panny model is incremental, it's pretty clear if you look, particularly with standard-def sources.
Their hifi equipment is excellent, and if you're spending that kind of money on something that looks flash, kicks that horrible Bose stuff all around the park for sound and build quality.
Bronek Kozicki
@Cameron & anon #
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 12:13 GMT
Shure, like B&O. are off-the-shelf standard stuff. Try custom made Ultimate Ears, Sensaphonics or ACS if you want earphones ultimate in sound quality. Actually, B&O are kind of a joke in this context.
Iain
@Bronek #
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 17:04 GMT
A quick Google puts a pair of their bottom-of-the-range custom earphones (UE 5 Pros) at a touch over £500. B&O Earphones are around £90.
Yes, your professional monitors cost more money. There's ALWAYS a way to get better quality if you can afford it. That doesn't make the B&Os a joke in their own right, any more than their home audio range is just because a decent Meridian pre/pro setup is even better.
Anonymous Coward
Daleks? #
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 22:22 GMT
Those are some type of new model Dalek's in the corner of the room, aren't they.
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