Being able to watch iPlayer through Opera on the Wii was the only reason I downloaded the browser last month, so I was quite disappointed when I found out it wasn't supported at that time.
This is welcome news - can't wait to get home and try it out. =D
...as Adobe are being utterly rubbish in their release of the Flash 8 or 9 SDK to companies like opera, making the Wii browser useless for certain sites and functions
Not only do licence payers get better value for money since BBC has embraced web-technology it has helped to cut back and avoid the problems of pirated rips across the internet.
If people can access what they want when they want it. BBC remain in control over their content.
There is room for improvement.
For example, I'd like to see for a running series for ALL previous episodes to be shown on the iplayer for people to catch up with. This is a common problem for series, people don't want to start half way through
(with the exception of eastenders/emmerdale...because that would just be ridiculous!)
I assume that any device with a compatible browser (flash based video I'm assuming again) will be able to access this version of iplayer given the correct url.
If so, then linux and even ps3 users should be able to use this so long as flash is enabled/supported in their browser of choice.
Afraid so... mind, that's only £3.50. Granted, it's £2.50 in the states (sigh), and the Internet should be free, etc etc, but you're paying for the ability to browse the net whilst sitting on your arse in front of the TV. Money well spent to me!
Tux because I too would like to see a Linux iPlayer...
As I and others have pointed out many times, the streaming, Flash-based version of iPlayer will work on most GNU/Linux distros with most hardware. (Yes, OK, it won't work on your Wombat-Linux-powered Cray... I said *most* distros on *most* hardware.)
Opera for Wii costs 500 Wii points, or around £3.50, but I suppose hardcore freetards will refuse to pay even this and prefer to spend six weeks hacking the stream so that they can play it on the aforementioned rig.
The cost of the Opera browser (which gives you overall internet capability and not just iPlayer) at 500 points is £3.50, at roughly 1/8 of the cost of a game or 1/4 of the cost of a nunchuk it's already excellent value.
Im looking forwards to this. Good work beeb and nintendo. I can't believe the BBC actually did this, I bet their MS managers are going to be pis*ed!
Also , Im going to try the wii mote with my MythTV setup. See how that works. Just a pity their linux (other os) support is so crap , otherwise my MythBox (x86) would already have iplayer.
@paytards - I am a true frretard, and got the opera wii browser for free when they were giving it away for the first few months - an early adopter perk :) , feel for anyone who bought there wii after June 07 though.
@John H Woods
Would you care to elaborate as to which wireless tech would be suitable for providing last mile wireless broadband @ > 8mbs (though an actual 2mbps for every user would be acceptable) to 20 million homes and buisnesses with equal latencies to current wired broadband? the infastructure costs of having to supply 2 million or so wireless basestations to provide the throughput would be even more costly than upgrading the last mile network, and would still only give us the same speed we get today.
You don't have to pay for Opera if you got your console in the first 6 months though (Which admittedly was a little difficult unless you like standing out in the cold at midnight).
You can convert the stars you get in nintendo games to Wii points. I didn't know what else to do with them so I got my 500 points and got the browser for free. (OK, maybe not free, I had to spend a fair whack on games first, but I was going to buy them anyway)
I've quickly tried it and there are two main problems:
- Quality is too low, I know the iPlayer quality isn't perfect but if they don't improve it then I seriously doubt many people would bother with it. Very blocky and the FPS was far too low.
- No quick or easy way of going full screen.
It's nice to see that they're actually trying to go for Wii users. If the quality isn't improved though I'd either continue to watch it on the computer or connect the laptop to the TV. I'm not sure if it's a Wii limitation or if the BBC have lowered the quality for the sake of it.
Does anyone know what quality this video is going to be on the Wii. Is it flash player quality or the slightly better iwhatever quality? Still as on VM I will only be of use for about a week or so before the full iplayer comes to VM (hopefully!).
If you dont have the Opera Browser, I dont know if it will work but why not try thr Wii Shopt 'browser' Hack?
"Want to browse the internet before WII's Opera is launched? Heres how:: Step One: Download Simple DNS Plus at http://www.jhsoft.com/; Install Simple DNS Plus; Step Two: Once you have Simple DNS Plus opened goto Tools -> Edit DNS Records; In the DNS records goto tools --> Quick Domain Wizard; In the domain field type "oss.shop.wii.com"; for the webserver ip type in the ip of the website to goto (if you want to find out the ip goto cmd prompt and type ping sitename.com) google's IP is 64.233.167.99; so bascially put that in as the "Web Server IP"; Erase the secondary DNS Server and press OK
On the WII; Goto the Wii Menu --> Wii Settings --> Internet --> Connection Settings --> Chose your connection -- >Change settings; click next 3 times until you get to the DNS setup; Click Advanced Settings; Then enter the primary DNS as your computers IP address: (to get that goto cmd prompt on the computer and type ipconfig) click ok and launch the Shopping Channel, it should bring up google now; Check Home Page for Video"
Stolen from the internet.
Im not sure this will work with the iPlayer though.
Do we know if this is a new channel that directs you to the opera channel depending on what program you use? Or is the message we get today simply going to tell us that there is an update for the internet channel? Whats the deal?
Not unless your playing your Wii on a monitor as you need a license to own a tv, not to watch it. Quite how the rules work if you don't own a tv but you do watch BBC on an iPhone or iPod I have no idea!
I recently discovered that downloaded iplayer files play through the xbox 360 via windows media player 11's built-in upnp media server (until the DRM expires). This would probably work on the ps3 too (although I haven't tested it). The quality of the downloads will be better than the flash streams. I agree that launching iplayer on the wii is a significant step toward bringing the iplayer in to the living room.
Anyone know when iPlayer will work from a PS3? Admittedly the streamed version could look slightly pixelated when scaled up to larger screens but it's better than nothing if you've missed something.
Also, anyone know if HD content on it's way (even at 720p)?
As I understand it, if you're watching an internet stream that mirrors the live broadcast, you need a license. If it's not a mirror, you don't. Could be wrong though, these things are made to be complex and arcane so as to catch people out.
As all you do to access iPlayer on the Wii is go to the BBC iPlayer site, I assume that all the BBC have done is port iPlayer to Flash 7 so that the Wii can use it. I'm guessing that the site recognises the Wii Opera browser and 'downgrades' to Flash 7 and formats for the low res Wii screen.
I Assume that I will get similar performance / quality to YouTube, which is also Flash 7 based.
Will give it a go when I get home. Hope it works as the missus might forgive me for forgetting to record Casualty on Saturday......
Just checked out this version of the iPlayer earlier and the quality isn't great, it's blocky but watchable. You do have to know how to zoom in and recentre the screen though or you get a postage stamp sized video in the middle of your screen. A little tweaking of the interface and it could be a nice option to view the BBC's content.
Been using iPlayer on PS3 for several months (since iPlayer launched infact). Nothing special here at all.
And I don't have to pay for access, like Wii owners do, to get Opera. the PS3 Opera browser is free.
Install Linux
Install Opera
Install Flash9
Watch iPlayer, fullscreen if you wish.
Nothing to pay, and works fine.. Of course it would be nicer if I didn't have to boot into Linux, but that's just as added advantage, the fact is, it works TODAY.
Sounds groovy. hopefully we'll get an update for the flash plugin as well... #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 15:13 GMT
I purchased the Internet Channel after I bought my Wii without complaint, but I don't use it much to be honest. Viewing YouTube or iPlayer through it might get me some use, but if it's a smaller window-within-a-window, that's not a big seller...Still, I might give it a go just because I can.
What's the big deal? They only downgraded the Flash content so it can play on the Wii. I don't get what the fuss is about. I hope you Wii users enjoy your Youtube quality iPlayer. The rest of us (who are not abroad like me) can enjoy the full quality iPlayer, yes even on Linux!!
AFAIR, there is no requirement for a TV license to use the BBC iplayer service, since the license only refers to broadcasts (and use of broadcast reception equipment) and not to watching tv as 'catch-ups'. Shady recollection of a BBC boffin telling us that since the proportion of people who have a 'net connection and no TV license is so small, there is no need to chase that demographic at the present time. This may undoubtedly change...
The Flash version of iPlayer works fine on my Linux boxen. All it lacks are programmes worth watching.
iPlayer on the Wii is an interesting concept, but on the other hand it means there's the potential of another remote control to lose down the back of the sofa :-)
and follow the instructions. It will cost you 300 stars per 100 points. They only release a certain amount every day so if there are none left you will have to try again tomorrow.
A media centre PC serves up free iplayer via Vista on the TV and as an early Wii adopter (no I didn't queue till midnight, I got lucky at Tescos) I downloaded Opera when it was free too. So I am a true freetard.
You have to go through the internet channel to get to iplayer, there's no dedicated channel. It runs through the flash player - all the BBC have really done is encoded the programs using a codec which works on flash 7. Because the codec is old they have to use a bit rate of 820kbps rather than the 500kbps which the original iplayer uses - and the quality is lower.
I haven't been able to get it to run smoothly on my wii, but that's probably because my bandwidth is throttled at this time of day.
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Scott Thomson
Linux?? #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:05 GMT
Can I have iPlayer for Linux please?
James Whale
Excellent news! #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:05 GMT
Being able to watch iPlayer through Opera on the Wii was the only reason I downloaded the browser last month, so I was quite disappointed when I found out it wasn't supported at that time.
This is welcome news - can't wait to get home and try it out. =D
John H Woods
Internet Choking? #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:09 GMT
Apparently only the last mile is choking. But who needs rewiring? The last mile can and should be wireless. The ISPs are protesting too much.
J Thompson
A wonderful FriiBii #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:09 GMT
Now I'll be able to watch the programmes that I've been missing due to a Lego Star Wars addiction.
Turv
Opera Browser? #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:09 GMT
Last time I checked this was not free (or hasn't been since some time last year), so Wii users will need to shell out for points to access iPlayer?
jonathan keith
Good news... #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:09 GMT
...as Adobe are being utterly rubbish in their release of the Flash 8 or 9 SDK to companies like opera, making the Wii browser useless for certain sites and functions
Mark Fell-Crook
Brill! #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:09 GMT
This is fantastic, saves everyone crowding round the iMac to catch up!!
Does this mean I have to spend 500 wii points on the opera browser though?
Anonymous Coward
hmm. #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:21 GMT
that is good news now you can watch tv on a tv. novel!
now build in a pvr and tuner and who needs a set top box.. wiimote control for tv hmmm..
Anonymous Coward
Smart Move #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:21 GMT
Very, very, very smart move.
Not only do licence payers get better value for money since BBC has embraced web-technology it has helped to cut back and avoid the problems of pirated rips across the internet.
If people can access what they want when they want it. BBC remain in control over their content.
There is room for improvement.
For example, I'd like to see for a running series for ALL previous episodes to be shown on the iplayer for people to catch up with. This is a common problem for series, people don't want to start half way through
(with the exception of eastenders/emmerdale...because that would just be ridiculous!)
Steve Mason
browser based video #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:21 GMT
I assume that any device with a compatible browser (flash based video I'm assuming again) will be able to access this version of iplayer given the correct url.
If so, then linux and even ps3 users should be able to use this so long as flash is enabled/supported in their browser of choice.
Chris Williams
Re: Brill! #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:24 GMT
Hi Mark,
I just put your question to the Beeb, and the answer is yes, you'll have to pay for the browser.
- Chris
Matt Smart
@Mark Fell-Crook #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:39 GMT
Afraid so... mind, that's only £3.50. Granted, it's £2.50 in the states (sigh), and the Internet should be free, etc etc, but you're paying for the ability to browse the net whilst sitting on your arse in front of the TV. Money well spent to me!
Tux because I too would like to see a Linux iPlayer...
Neil Hoskins
@various - Linux and Opera #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:39 GMT
As I and others have pointed out many times, the streaming, Flash-based version of iPlayer will work on most GNU/Linux distros with most hardware. (Yes, OK, it won't work on your Wombat-Linux-powered Cray... I said *most* distros on *most* hardware.)
Opera for Wii costs 500 Wii points, or around £3.50, but I suppose hardcore freetards will refuse to pay even this and prefer to spend six weeks hacking the stream so that they can play it on the aforementioned rig.
Anonymous Coward
Outside UK? #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:39 GMT
I assume that it will, as always, use the IP address to determine if you're in the UK or not?
Unfortunately I'm heading back to Europe with my newly-purchased Wii tomorrow, so won't get a chance to try it out while I'm at home in the UK... :(
david gomm
cost of Opera #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:39 GMT
The cost of the Opera browser (which gives you overall internet capability and not just iPlayer) at 500 points is £3.50, at roughly 1/8 of the cost of a game or 1/4 of the cost of a nunchuk it's already excellent value.
paul
WiiMote #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:52 GMT
Im looking forwards to this. Good work beeb and nintendo. I can't believe the BBC actually did this, I bet their MS managers are going to be pis*ed!
Also , Im going to try the wii mote with my MythTV setup. See how that works. Just a pity their linux (other os) support is so crap , otherwise my MythBox (x86) would already have iplayer.
Anonymous Coward
So us freetards can ... #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:52 GMT
... still f*ck off. Right?
It would be nice to see the BBC webstats for Wii users going to the Beeb using Opera vs. Linux users using a browser like Firefox.
Or perhaps not.
What do you think, Ashley?
Fraser
s-Wii-t #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:52 GMT
Glad that I downloaded Opera when it was still free. </smug>
I've been wanting this for ages, no titting about with scan converters, or watching on monitors for mii.
DB
Xbox 1 #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:52 GMT
While this may be the first official iPlayer for a console, a player for the original xbox already exists if you have it modded and use XBMC.
http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-iplayer/
Anonymous Coward
@various #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:52 GMT
@paytards - I am a true frretard, and got the opera wii browser for free when they were giving it away for the first few months - an early adopter perk :) , feel for anyone who bought there wii after June 07 though.
@John H Woods
Would you care to elaborate as to which wireless tech would be suitable for providing last mile wireless broadband @ > 8mbs (though an actual 2mbps for every user would be acceptable) to 20 million homes and buisnesses with equal latencies to current wired broadband? the infastructure costs of having to supply 2 million or so wireless basestations to provide the throughput would be even more costly than upgrading the last mile network, and would still only give us the same speed we get today.
Adam
Opera Wii #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:52 GMT
You don't have to pay for Opera if you got your console in the first 6 months though (Which admittedly was a little difficult unless you like standing out in the cold at midnight).
Danny
Nintendo Stars #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:05 GMT
You can convert the stars you get in nintendo games to Wii points. I didn't know what else to do with them so I got my 500 points and got the browser for free. (OK, maybe not free, I had to spend a fair whack on games first, but I was going to buy them anyway)
Alex Tomkins
Quality seems too low #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:05 GMT
I've quickly tried it and there are two main problems:
- Quality is too low, I know the iPlayer quality isn't perfect but if they don't improve it then I seriously doubt many people would bother with it. Very blocky and the FPS was far too low.
- No quick or easy way of going full screen.
It's nice to see that they're actually trying to go for Wii users. If the quality isn't improved though I'd either continue to watch it on the computer or connect the laptop to the TV. I'm not sure if it's a Wii limitation or if the BBC have lowered the quality for the sake of it.
Paul
Quality #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:05 GMT
Does anyone know what quality this video is going to be on the Wii. Is it flash player quality or the slightly better iwhatever quality? Still as on VM I will only be of use for about a week or so before the full iplayer comes to VM (hopefully!).
thomasthetanker
Question #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:07 GMT
If (theoretically) I didnt have a license and watched i Player through my Wii will i get a fine?
Anonymous Coward
Wii Shop 'Browser' Hack #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:18 GMT
If you dont have the Opera Browser, I dont know if it will work but why not try thr Wii Shopt 'browser' Hack?
"Want to browse the internet before WII's Opera is launched? Heres how:: Step One: Download Simple DNS Plus at http://www.jhsoft.com/; Install Simple DNS Plus; Step Two: Once you have Simple DNS Plus opened goto Tools -> Edit DNS Records; In the DNS records goto tools --> Quick Domain Wizard; In the domain field type "oss.shop.wii.com"; for the webserver ip type in the ip of the website to goto (if you want to find out the ip goto cmd prompt and type ping sitename.com) google's IP is 64.233.167.99; so bascially put that in as the "Web Server IP"; Erase the secondary DNS Server and press OK
On the WII; Goto the Wii Menu --> Wii Settings --> Internet --> Connection Settings --> Chose your connection -- >Change settings; click next 3 times until you get to the DNS setup; Click Advanced Settings; Then enter the primary DNS as your computers IP address: (to get that goto cmd prompt on the computer and type ipconfig) click ok and launch the Shopping Channel, it should bring up google now; Check Home Page for Video"
Stolen from the internet.
Im not sure this will work with the iPlayer though.
Richard Kilpatrick
Linux? *prods Eee* #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:21 GMT
I watched iPlayer programmes on my Eee, so I assume Linux is already supported just fine. The iPhone implementation impressed me a lot, too.
Anonymous Coward
@ Danny #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:21 GMT
How?
wratty
Yippee! #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:40 GMT
Do we know if this is a new channel that directs you to the opera channel depending on what program you use? Or is the message we get today simply going to tell us that there is an update for the internet channel? Whats the deal?
Christian Dannemann
Window size #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:40 GMT
Just installed the internet channel on my Wii and gave it a go ...
The playback window for iplayer is quite small - so don't expect a full-screen playback.
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Dave Cumming
@thomasthetanker #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:47 GMT
Not unless your playing your Wii on a monitor as you need a license to own a tv, not to watch it. Quite how the rules work if you don't own a tv but you do watch BBC on an iPhone or iPod I have no idea!
Declan
Xbox360 #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:55 GMT
I recently discovered that downloaded iplayer files play through the xbox 360 via windows media player 11's built-in upnp media server (until the DRM expires). This would probably work on the ps3 too (although I haven't tested it). The quality of the downloads will be better than the flash streams. I agree that launching iplayer on the wii is a significant step toward bringing the iplayer in to the living room.
Neil Docherty
PS3 #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:55 GMT
Anyone know when iPlayer will work from a PS3? Admittedly the streamed version could look slightly pixelated when scaled up to larger screens but it's better than nothing if you've missed something.
Also, anyone know if HD content on it's way (even at 720p)?
JK
@Thomasthetanker #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:55 GMT
As I understand it, if you're watching an internet stream that mirrors the live broadcast, you need a license. If it's not a mirror, you don't. Could be wrong though, these things are made to be complex and arcane so as to catch people out.
paul
@DB #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:55 GMT
Didn't realise there was code for xbox (non-melting version) XBMC , thanks for enlightening me.
I wonder how they do it.....
Eponymous Cowherd
Must be Flash #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:56 GMT
As all you do to access iPlayer on the Wii is go to the BBC iPlayer site, I assume that all the BBC have done is port iPlayer to Flash 7 so that the Wii can use it. I'm guessing that the site recognises the Wii Opera browser and 'downgrades' to Flash 7 and formats for the low res Wii screen.
I Assume that I will get similar performance / quality to YouTube, which is also Flash 7 based.
Will give it a go when I get home. Hope it works as the missus might forgive me for forgetting to record Casualty on Saturday......
Michael B.
Bit of resizing needed #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 15:12 GMT
Just checked out this version of the iPlayer earlier and the quality isn't great, it's blocky but watchable. You do have to know how to zoom in and recentre the screen though or you get a postage stamp sized video in the middle of your screen. A little tweaking of the interface and it could be a nice option to view the BBC's content.
Mark
Big Whoop, PS3 does this already. #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 15:12 GMT
Been using iPlayer on PS3 for several months (since iPlayer launched infact). Nothing special here at all.
And I don't have to pay for access, like Wii owners do, to get Opera. the PS3 Opera browser is free.
Install Linux
Install Opera
Install Flash9
Watch iPlayer, fullscreen if you wish.
Nothing to pay, and works fine.. Of course it would be nicer if I didn't have to boot into Linux, but that's just as added advantage, the fact is, it works TODAY.
Sean Aaron
Sounds groovy. hopefully we'll get an update for the flash plugin as well... #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 15:13 GMT
I purchased the Internet Channel after I bought my Wii without complaint, but I don't use it much to be honest. Viewing YouTube or iPlayer through it might get me some use, but if it's a smaller window-within-a-window, that's not a big seller...Still, I might give it a go just because I can.
Hugh Cowan
Big Deal? #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 15:24 GMT
What's the big deal? They only downgraded the Flash content so it can play on the Wii. I don't get what the fuss is about. I hope you Wii users enjoy your Youtube quality iPlayer. The rest of us (who are not abroad like me) can enjoy the full quality iPlayer, yes even on Linux!!
Rachel
BBC License #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 15:35 GMT
AFAIR, there is no requirement for a TV license to use the BBC iplayer service, since the license only refers to broadcasts (and use of broadcast reception equipment) and not to watching tv as 'catch-ups'. Shady recollection of a BBC boffin telling us that since the proportion of people who have a 'net connection and no TV license is so small, there is no need to chase that demographic at the present time. This may undoubtedly change...
Stu Reeves
Anyone know #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 15:40 GMT
If you can copy Opera from one Wii to another using the SD card?
Colin MacLean
@stu #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 15:56 GMT
It'll probably be easier to copy £3.50 to a Wii Shop Channel account.
Simon Ward
Re: Linux #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 17:57 GMT
"Can I have iPlayer for Linux please?"
The Flash version of iPlayer works fine on my Linux boxen. All it lacks are programmes worth watching.
iPlayer on the Wii is an interesting concept, but on the other hand it means there's the potential of another remote control to lose down the back of the sofa :-)
Danny
RE AC How? #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 17:57 GMT
Go to
http://wiipointscard.nintendo-europe.com/
and follow the instructions. It will cost you 300 stars per 100 points. They only release a certain amount every day so if there are none left you will have to try again tomorrow.
Carl Williams
Smugness #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 17:57 GMT
A media centre PC serves up free iplayer via Vista on the TV and as an early Wii adopter (no I didn't queue till midnight, I got lucky at Tescos) I downloaded Opera when it was free too. So I am a true freetard.
David Wood
A nice gimmic #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 17:57 GMT
You have to go through the internet channel to get to iplayer, there's no dedicated channel. It runs through the flash player - all the BBC have really done is encoded the programs using a codec which works on flash 7. Because the codec is old they have to use a bit rate of 820kbps rather than the 500kbps which the original iplayer uses - and the quality is lower.
I haven't been able to get it to run smoothly on my wii, but that's probably because my bandwidth is throttled at this time of day.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/04/bbc_iplayer_on_wii.html
Anonymous Coward
Clever BBC #
Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 19:35 GMT
How very clever of the BBC to run rings around the ISPs to get them to deliver all the content to me for free.
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