"Eventually, we hope, yes. We are very keen to apply it to electronics, ultimately making them waterproof, although this is still in the early stages of development."
In other words....
I hadn't thought of that, thanks very much. Now, where did I leave that number for the guy from Intel/HP/LG/Panasonic/TOM TOM/[Insert electronics manufacturer of choice]?
sounds cool for waterproofing gadgets, but I'm not sure about clothing. If it's *so* waterproof does that mean that treated articles won't breath in the same way that Goretex does. Could get a bit sweaty in there....
I thought the whole point of goretex was to be a oneway street for water, i.e. let water out but not in, to allow for breathable material and not so sweaty clothing, I am guessing this would not work in the same way.
Anyways great invention but not a goretex killer me thinks......
With clothing and footware particularly making something waterproof isn't that hard. The challenge that GoreTex has managed is to make it waterproof and breathable. The advantage of breathable fabrics is that sweat can evaporate from your foot/armpits etc and pass out through the material while rain can't penetrate in through the material. If the material is not breathable then you will still end up with soggy (and very smelly) sock after a long hike just from sweat.
Just curious - do you end up with a bubble of water hovering 1 inch off the surface or what?
I have another good use for this: car windshields. Stuff like Rain-X works well, but needs bi-weekly renewal, and nano coating seems less effective after half a year, but both are good enough to repeat the effort to maintain the result. I can also see this work for seats and windows in general.
And it would be a fantastic practical joke to give someone a treated towel ..
If they used this to make small digital waterproof cameras, I'd bite. Having to faff with my current waterproof case with its gels and seals is not that easy (especially when you start your two week holiday abroad and find you forgot the sealing gel).
Because if everything on the shoe/garment is 100% waterproof, then water is not only not getting in - it's also not getting out. Which would be equivalent to exercising in a black bin bag with a head hole cut out of it.
The point of Gore Tex is not it's waterproofing abilities, plenty of materials before it offered waterproof, but that Gore Tex it one way - it lets water out but not in.
Accidently step into water that is deeper than your boots and you'll have wet feet for the rest of the day. At least un-waterproofed boots let that water out and so does Gore Tex, but boots waterproofed by this method would trap that water inside!
Likewise sweat would be trapped inside the boot, or inside the rain coat etc. Compare wearing a breathable waterproof against those plastic/rubber backed ones where after a couple of hours you are sticky and chafing.
This tech has great potential, but waterproofing clothing? FAIL
Water repellent doesn't necessarily mean water proof. Treating a string vest with this won't magically mean that you stay dry out in the rain whilst wearing said vest. It would mean that the vest stays dry, or rather that the cotton it's made from doesn't soak up the water.
Most waterproof items (good ones anyway) eventual failure mode is to seep through the seams where there has to be a physical join.
And most of the time people wearing water proof items get wet because water runs in through the obvious openings, where your head and arms stick out for example.
(not saying that this is rubbish, just saying that it's not magic).
Just because something repels 100% of liquid water doesn't mean for a minute that it won't be breathable. The treatment repels liquid water from the fabric and doesn't rubberise the fabric or really seal it in any way. The breathable nature of the original garment will be unaffected.
A goretex boot wouldn't allow water to drain out if it got filled from the top, goretex allows vapour sized water particles/molecules/whatever through but water itself is stopped.. or something along those lines. I'm no scientist. I know as i recently left my goretext boot outside the tent in the rain, it filled up good n proper, and didn't drain.
@MartinLyne: "Would that stop rusting if adapted for use on metallics?"
No, that would be paint!
General Comment:
Regarding the comments about it not being a GoreTex killer (which I agree with), this reminds me of the Astronaut pencil story. Imagine that story re-written .....
"Faced with the problem of making objects completely waterproof, the UK spent millions developing sub-microscopic nanotechnology ion-masking coatings. Meanwhile, everyone else used a plastic bag."
Goretex membrane isn't one way, nor a sponge, it has tiny holes that are small enough to let water vapour though but not let droplets of liquid water through. At least until they get clogged up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore-Tex#Design
http://www.gore-tex.co.uk
Whether fabric treated like this would behave the same way would depend on the fibre size and how tightly woven it was, or how porous a non-woven material was.
That's how water penetrates most materials. And if the treatment prevents that, how exactly does it 'breathe'?
I suspect this product only works on certain materials, because to 'breathe' it has to be able to allow water vapour to pass, but not water droplets - that's how Goretex works, it's actually a PTFE membrane full of holes. Holes too small to admit water droplets, but large enough to pass water vapour.
I'll believe this stuff when I see it applied to a piece of woven Cordura which, which then becomes totally waterproof...
Sorry I have to disagree, Gore Tex works very well indeed. It's not the only material to do the same job and better materials might be developed, but compared to non-breathable waterproof materials Gore Tex is a winner.
What you want is an Olympus Stylus 850 SW, small 8 Megapixel digital camera, waterproof up to 10m depth and shock proof to 1.5M. I have one and it's brilliant, takes fantastic pictures and video underwater.
Submicroscopic impregnation will presumably have to be applied using industrial methods and pressure technology, maybe safety precautions to prevent nanoparticle damage to human tissues (compare the risk from carbon nanotubes). Which means no home spraying, but much more effective impregnation of producer-treated goods.
A local small-scale industry will probably spring up (like one-hour photo development) to provide industrial-style impregnation.
There must be a helluva difference in nanosize between molecules of water and of water vapour, otherwise the GoreTex solution (heh) wouldn't work.
String vests might prove warmer even though they let in moisture cos the threads wouldn't become wet and lose heat due to evaporation. Same goes for socks, even though they won't absorb moisture but repel it. The capillary effect might be designed in to channel moisture up and out of submerged shoes, but that's for the garment engineers to discover, not us.
As for submersion being inevitable, that's crap. A simple elastic sleeve (impregnated) around the interface between shoe and sock (or trousers even better) would plug this gappy leak.
So the thing sounds great.
(Paris cos she has a gappy leak that can only be plugged by summat injecting fluid, and thinks a lot about impregation.)
umm... this is a property of liquids... the skinny holes that would suck up water will allow air to pass freely since air is a gas. if the holes are too small, then water won't get past without being forced (micron filters) but air still moves through it much easier. you forget the concept of densities. less dense substances move easier than more dense substances. water moves easier than lead and air moves easier than water.
Gotta agree with the previous poster. Once had a pair of their boots-- things disintegrated within a year. And I'm a computer professional, a career path which generally doesn't lead to extreme wear on one's shoes.
As any real outdoorsman(woman/alien) will tell you none of the "waterproof" outdoor gear is truly waterproof - it all lets in water after it's saturated.
Gore-Tex "breathes" better in the ads that in does in the real world. If you're forced to wear it you end up just as wet, but it's from sweat, not rain. If it isn't cold outside you're better off just getting rained on. It won't hurt you ya know.
A/C said it, if it doesn't really repeal water from the surface it's useless. We're going to need anti-gravity somethings to keep us truly dry.
Anonymous Coward
I'll be interested to see whether this does genuinely beat gore-tex #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 15:30 GMT
I've been mountaineering, hill-walking, ski-mountaineering and expedition cycling for years. I've tried every material available at some point or another, with varying degrees of success. Gore-tex is by far and away the best. Firstly, as one poster correctly pointed out, it works by having small enough holes in the PTFE membranes that water molecules pass through, but the surface tension of water makes the water droplets too large to get through. This in turn leads to one of it's weaknesses. If you add something to the fabric that reduces the surface tension of water (like detergent) it can stop it from working. As with any breathable fabric, if the osmotic balance between the inside and outside isn't high enough, or the required moisture transport is too high for the rate supported by the fabric, then you will get condensation inside. The times I find that breathability breaks down (in all waterproof/breathable fabrics) is two-fold, one is when you are doing too much exercise, in too hot a state. The second more important one is in very very humid conditions, where there is insufficient osmotic imbalance - for example walking in low cloud. In those conditions you are getting wet regardless.
Compared to other fabrics though, it is more durable, more waterproof, and more breathable. And I haven't found another fabric that works adequately as a bivi-bag - where the fabric has to transport all the moisture from your breathing as well (and I've spent months and months living in bivi-bags so I have plenty of experience here).
Gore-tex (or fully waterproof) boots are pretty silly in general though. On most hill-walking in the UK, at some point you will put your foot in a deep bog, or cross a stream that is too deep. With a gore-tex boot, the boot fills up with water and stays there (unlike what someone above mentioned). Jungle boots for the military are actually canvas with drain holes in the bottom, knowing that you are going to get wet. Personally, the best combination I have used is waxed leather boots, worn with gore-tex gaiters. If water gets in the boot, it soaks through the leather from the inside and you don't pour water out of your boot. If it rains, the water runs off the gaiters and boots quite adequately.
The way stuff like this works is that the water will just slide off as it will be unable to form droplets or to wet the fibres. Sweat evaporates so will pass through as vapour. At most you would have to add a wicking layer inside the treated.
Most running clothing these days is made from material where the weave means they act as wicks taking the sweat from you and also meaning they dry very quickly if rained on. You cannot wash them in fabric softeners without endangering this property.
If this treatment means I can have a rain jacket that is lighter than Goretex though that would be good and for the shoes too.
All the posts commenting on a spray can treatment, are suffering a comprehension fail, the article states; "are treated with the ion-mask plasma", that's an ionised gas plasma.
Mine's the one with the tazer and can of crazy foam in the pocket.
Not a goretex killer, but still has some applications. #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 18:10 GMT
The trouble with goretex is that it will not always keep you dry.
(See a bunch of comments above)
But if you layer your clothing right, or rather the materials right, you can make a fairly water repellent rain gear that does breath. The inner layer is goretex and the outer layer is your water proof fabric, where you have vents to allow the coat to breathe.
British boffins perfect process to make any item '100% waterproof'
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dervheid
100% waterproof... #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:56 GMT
That'd be the "Wellington Boot" then!
bobbles31
Waterproof electronics? #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:56 GMT
"Eventually, we hope, yes. We are very keen to apply it to electronics, ultimately making them waterproof, although this is still in the early stages of development."
In other words....
I hadn't thought of that, thanks very much. Now, where did I leave that number for the guy from Intel/HP/LG/Panasonic/TOM TOM/[Insert electronics manufacturer of choice]?
Dave
breathable? #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:56 GMT
sounds cool for waterproofing gadgets, but I'm not sure about clothing. If it's *so* waterproof does that mean that treated articles won't breath in the same way that Goretex does. Could get a bit sweaty in there....
Steve Mason
awesome news for bikers #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:56 GMT
Motorcycle leathers and so-called "waterproofs" are never entirely waterproof despite what manufacturers claim - and only get worse over time.
Can't wait for this to hit the shelves!
Anonymous Coward
There's always an exception. #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:56 GMT
I can think of at least one product that will never be made waterproof.
Water !
Patrick Seyler
Bit different to GoreTex me thinks #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:56 GMT
I thought the whole point of goretex was to be a oneway street for water, i.e. let water out but not in, to allow for breathable material and not so sweaty clothing, I am guessing this would not work in the same way.
Anyways great invention but not a goretex killer me thinks......
The Mole
Breathability #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:56 GMT
With clothing and footware particularly making something waterproof isn't that hard. The challenge that GoreTex has managed is to make it waterproof and breathable. The advantage of breathable fabrics is that sweat can evaporate from your foot/armpits etc and pass out through the material while rain can't penetrate in through the material. If the material is not breathable then you will still end up with soggy (and very smelly) sock after a long hike just from sweat.
Anonymous Coward
Hi-Tec? Schmi-Tec. #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:56 GMT
Such a shame that it's Hi-Tec adopting this. Their footwear is so badly constructed that it falls apart within 6 months of daily wear.
Christoph
Is the material still breathable? #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:56 GMT
Can water vapour from inside still get out through treated material? If so this is very useful - if not, if will be unwearable.
Peter
What happens when you treat a water bottle? #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:56 GMT
Just curious - do you end up with a bubble of water hovering 1 inch off the surface or what?
I have another good use for this: car windshields. Stuff like Rain-X works well, but needs bi-weekly renewal, and nano coating seems less effective after half a year, but both are good enough to repeat the effort to maintain the result. I can also see this work for seats and windows in general.
And it would be a fantastic practical joke to give someone a treated towel ..
:-)
Martin Lyne
So #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:56 GMT
Would that stop rusting if adapted for use on metallics?
Does it do anything to stop water leaking through fibres? A gooey spray might fill small gaps, wheras this sounds like it wouldn't.
Still.. FREAKING COOL.
Anonymous John
Mine's the one #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:56 GMT
above the pool of water on the floor.
Anonymous Coward
Is this a spray? #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:56 GMT
Is it something you can spray on, or do you have to buy stuff that's been treated in the factory?
Anonymous Coward
So if it's totally waterproof..... #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:56 GMT
..... how do you wash it?
The surprisingly dry but filthy one in the corner please.
Tim Schomer
Could this... #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:57 GMT
... be applied to the Governments' data protection methodology?
- Mine's the one with the USB stick & the CDs in the pocket
Jon Brunson
Ooooo #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 12:57 GMT
If they used this to make small digital waterproof cameras, I'd bite. Having to faff with my current waterproof case with its gels and seals is not that easy (especially when you start your two week holiday abroad and find you forgot the sealing gel).
alain williams
Great news for small boys #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 13:03 GMT
wanting to avoid bathtime
Fluffykins
Can I please #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 13:03 GMT
have my shoulders done.
As well as the Teflon coating.
jai
other applications #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 13:10 GMT
can they apply it to glass? or at least plastic?
then you could fill a glass of water and it'd be repelled from the sides
so in theory, you'd not have to bother washing it ever?
fifi
Go do some reading... #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 13:10 GMT
Yes, it's breathable.. at least it's claimed to be.
yegads, are none of you able to browse further than the pages of el Reg?
http://www.p2i-labs.co.uk/Newsstory9.html
a
[flame, cos I'm about to be]
Jerome Fryer
Can this be sprayed on a person? #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 13:10 GMT
Just wondering because I'm a lousy swimmer, so being 100% waterproof could be handy.
Anonymous Coward
So not a Gore-Tex killer then? #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 13:10 GMT
Because if everything on the shoe/garment is 100% waterproof, then water is not only not getting in - it's also not getting out. Which would be equivalent to exercising in a black bin bag with a head hole cut out of it.
Mine's the one with sweat pouring out of it
Anonymous Coward
Not a Gore Tex beater #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 13:10 GMT
The point of Gore Tex is not it's waterproofing abilities, plenty of materials before it offered waterproof, but that Gore Tex it one way - it lets water out but not in.
Accidently step into water that is deeper than your boots and you'll have wet feet for the rest of the day. At least un-waterproofed boots let that water out and so does Gore Tex, but boots waterproofed by this method would trap that water inside!
Likewise sweat would be trapped inside the boot, or inside the rain coat etc. Compare wearing a breathable waterproof against those plastic/rubber backed ones where after a couple of hours you are sticky and chafing.
This tech has great potential, but waterproofing clothing? FAIL
Richie
For all those asking but too lazy to google #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 13:19 GMT
According the the P2i website:
"The ion-mask™ treatment of textiles and footwear delivers true waterproofing with no loss of breathability."
Steve
not necessarily waterproof #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 13:19 GMT
Water repellent doesn't necessarily mean water proof. Treating a string vest with this won't magically mean that you stay dry out in the rain whilst wearing said vest. It would mean that the vest stays dry, or rather that the cotton it's made from doesn't soak up the water.
Most waterproof items (good ones anyway) eventual failure mode is to seep through the seams where there has to be a physical join.
And most of the time people wearing water proof items get wet because water runs in through the obvious openings, where your head and arms stick out for example.
(not saying that this is rubbish, just saying that it's not magic).
Anonymous Coward
Goretex doesn't work #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 13:19 GMT
It doesn't let sweat out and if badly designed, lets water in the sewn joints (unless they are properly taped) and drips down the neck/throat area.
Can't see this being an improvement unless it really does repel water from a distance (even if a millimeter).
Notice the picture above only shows the toes of the boot not getting wet - dunk it upto it's shoelaces and show the insides !!!
Probably alien technology involved from a crashed UFO.
Nathan Hobbs
Ships? #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:02 GMT
Could this be used to coat the underside of ships, to reduce the resistance when travelling through the water? Or to coat the decs and superstructure?
Non-slip flooring?
Martin Klefas-Stennett
Water vs Water vapour #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:02 GMT
Just because something repels 100% of liquid water doesn't mean for a minute that it won't be breathable. The treatment repels liquid water from the fabric and doesn't rubberise the fabric or really seal it in any way. The breathable nature of the original garment will be unaffected.
Anonymous Coward
No. #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:02 GMT
A goretex boot wouldn't allow water to drain out if it got filled from the top, goretex allows vapour sized water particles/molecules/whatever through but water itself is stopped.. or something along those lines. I'm no scientist. I know as i recently left my goretext boot outside the tent in the rain, it filled up good n proper, and didn't drain.
Paris, she loves to be filled up
Peyton
Very neat, but... #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:02 GMT
I wonder what its effects on an item's ability to biodegrade or be recycled are? Seems like it might impede both...
Anonymous Coward
Ahem #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:02 GMT
@MartinLyne: "Would that stop rusting if adapted for use on metallics?"
No, that would be paint!
General Comment:
Regarding the comments about it not being a GoreTex killer (which I agree with), this reminds me of the Astronaut pencil story. Imagine that story re-written .....
"Faced with the problem of making objects completely waterproof, the UK spent millions developing sub-microscopic nanotechnology ion-masking coatings. Meanwhile, everyone else used a plastic bag."
Alan Braggins
Goretex #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:02 GMT
Goretex membrane isn't one way, nor a sponge, it has tiny holes that are small enough to let water vapour though but not let droplets of liquid water through. At least until they get clogged up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore-Tex#Design
http://www.gore-tex.co.uk
Whether fabric treated like this would behave the same way would depend on the fibre size and how tightly woven it was, or how porous a non-woven material was.
Christopher A Light
I see... #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:03 GMT
And what about Capillary action?
That's how water penetrates most materials. And if the treatment prevents that, how exactly does it 'breathe'?
I suspect this product only works on certain materials, because to 'breathe' it has to be able to allow water vapour to pass, but not water droplets - that's how Goretex works, it's actually a PTFE membrane full of holes. Holes too small to admit water droplets, but large enough to pass water vapour.
I'll believe this stuff when I see it applied to a piece of woven Cordura which, which then becomes totally waterproof...
Anonymous Coward
@ Goretex doesn't work #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:03 GMT
Sorry I have to disagree, Gore Tex works very well indeed. It's not the only material to do the same job and better materials might be developed, but compared to non-breathable waterproof materials Gore Tex is a winner.
James Pickett
Hmm... #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:03 GMT
"under a different brand name, Magnum"
What - everlasting lollies?
I'm not convinced by the photo, BTW. I notice they didn't dip the shoes past the laces...
As a motorcyclist, I'll believe it when I try it, but I'm not holding my breath.
Anonymous Coward
Can be applied to gadgets? #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:39 GMT
The statement of making gadgets waterproof as well mean it will stop watering pouring into my laptops air vents :D
dervheid
@ fifi #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:39 GMT
"are none of you able to browse further than the pages of el Reg?"
Nope!
Stupid Question.
Geoff
@ Jon Brunson, Re: Ooooo #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:39 GMT
What you want is an Olympus Stylus 850 SW, small 8 Megapixel digital camera, waterproof up to 10m depth and shock proof to 1.5M. I have one and it's brilliant, takes fantastic pictures and video underwater.
No need for silly waterproof cases.
xjy
Impregnation and filling up with fluid #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:39 GMT
Submicroscopic impregnation will presumably have to be applied using industrial methods and pressure technology, maybe safety precautions to prevent nanoparticle damage to human tissues (compare the risk from carbon nanotubes). Which means no home spraying, but much more effective impregnation of producer-treated goods.
A local small-scale industry will probably spring up (like one-hour photo development) to provide industrial-style impregnation.
There must be a helluva difference in nanosize between molecules of water and of water vapour, otherwise the GoreTex solution (heh) wouldn't work.
String vests might prove warmer even though they let in moisture cos the threads wouldn't become wet and lose heat due to evaporation. Same goes for socks, even though they won't absorb moisture but repel it. The capillary effect might be designed in to channel moisture up and out of submerged shoes, but that's for the garment engineers to discover, not us.
As for submersion being inevitable, that's crap. A simple elastic sleeve (impregnated) around the interface between shoe and sock (or trousers even better) would plug this gappy leak.
So the thing sounds great.
(Paris cos she has a gappy leak that can only be plugged by summat injecting fluid, and thinks a lot about impregation.)
Jason Harvey
re: Capillary action #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:52 GMT
umm... this is a property of liquids... the skinny holes that would suck up water will allow air to pass freely since air is a gas. if the holes are too small, then water won't get past without being forced (micron filters) but air still moves through it much easier. you forget the concept of densities. less dense substances move easier than more dense substances. water moves easier than lead and air moves easier than water.
Anonymous Coward
Hi-Tec #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 14:58 GMT
Gotta agree with the previous poster. Once had a pair of their boots-- things disintegrated within a year. And I'm a computer professional, a career path which generally doesn't lead to extreme wear on one's shoes.
Johnny FireBlade
@ Steve Mason #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 15:30 GMT
"awesome news for bikers"
As I was reading the article, I was already imagining myself spraying my leathers! ;)
Solomon Grundy
It's all Crap #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 15:30 GMT
As any real outdoorsman(woman/alien) will tell you none of the "waterproof" outdoor gear is truly waterproof - it all lets in water after it's saturated.
Gore-Tex "breathes" better in the ads that in does in the real world. If you're forced to wear it you end up just as wet, but it's from sweat, not rain. If it isn't cold outside you're better off just getting rained on. It won't hurt you ya know.
A/C said it, if it doesn't really repeal water from the surface it's useless. We're going to need anti-gravity somethings to keep us truly dry.
Anonymous Coward
I'll be interested to see whether this does genuinely beat gore-tex #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 15:30 GMT
I've been mountaineering, hill-walking, ski-mountaineering and expedition cycling for years. I've tried every material available at some point or another, with varying degrees of success. Gore-tex is by far and away the best. Firstly, as one poster correctly pointed out, it works by having small enough holes in the PTFE membranes that water molecules pass through, but the surface tension of water makes the water droplets too large to get through. This in turn leads to one of it's weaknesses. If you add something to the fabric that reduces the surface tension of water (like detergent) it can stop it from working. As with any breathable fabric, if the osmotic balance between the inside and outside isn't high enough, or the required moisture transport is too high for the rate supported by the fabric, then you will get condensation inside. The times I find that breathability breaks down (in all waterproof/breathable fabrics) is two-fold, one is when you are doing too much exercise, in too hot a state. The second more important one is in very very humid conditions, where there is insufficient osmotic imbalance - for example walking in low cloud. In those conditions you are getting wet regardless.
Compared to other fabrics though, it is more durable, more waterproof, and more breathable. And I haven't found another fabric that works adequately as a bivi-bag - where the fabric has to transport all the moisture from your breathing as well (and I've spent months and months living in bivi-bags so I have plenty of experience here).
Gore-tex (or fully waterproof) boots are pretty silly in general though. On most hill-walking in the UK, at some point you will put your foot in a deep bog, or cross a stream that is too deep. With a gore-tex boot, the boot fills up with water and stays there (unlike what someone above mentioned). Jungle boots for the military are actually canvas with drain holes in the bottom, knowing that you are going to get wet. Personally, the best combination I have used is waxed leather boots, worn with gore-tex gaiters. If water gets in the boot, it soaks through the leather from the inside and you don't pour water out of your boot. If it rains, the water runs off the gaiters and boots quite adequately.
kevin biswas
Nano particles can be dangerous too. #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 15:32 GMT
You get nice dry tumours though.
Alan Esworthy
How would you wash things? #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 15:50 GMT
Why, you would dry clean them of course.
Mine's the unusually dry and clean one.
Muscleguy
rain and sweat are different #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 15:50 GMT
The way stuff like this works is that the water will just slide off as it will be unable to form droplets or to wet the fibres. Sweat evaporates so will pass through as vapour. At most you would have to add a wicking layer inside the treated.
Most running clothing these days is made from material where the weave means they act as wicks taking the sweat from you and also meaning they dry very quickly if rained on. You cannot wash them in fabric softeners without endangering this property.
If this treatment means I can have a rain jacket that is lighter than Goretex though that would be good and for the shoes too.
Anonymous Coward
Plasma! #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 16:08 GMT
All the posts commenting on a spray can treatment, are suffering a comprehension fail, the article states; "are treated with the ion-mask plasma", that's an ionised gas plasma.
Mine's the one with the tazer and can of crazy foam in the pocket.
Mike Holden
"the left boot has been treated" #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 17:38 GMT
but, that's the one with the sopping toe, while the right boot is bone-dry.
Or did you mean "the boot on the left, as we look at it, has been treated"?
Ian Michael Gumby
Not a goretex killer, but still has some applications. #
Posted Wednesday 27th August 2008 18:10 GMT
The trouble with goretex is that it will not always keep you dry.
(See a bunch of comments above)
But if you layer your clothing right, or rather the materials right, you can make a fairly water repellent rain gear that does breath. The inner layer is goretex and the outer layer is your water proof fabric, where you have vents to allow the coat to breathe.
So you stay dry for the most part.
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