Sheesh - the evidence that they're going on is that he posted apologies on FaceSpace.com...?!? Wow, even Aunt Jessica looks for more concrete evidence than that before accusing someone of murder.
Oh no, another tragedy in which a person loses their life because of a videogame. Now we must ban these violent murder simulators like Civilization and SimCity, so other poor children aren't murdered in their beds. Help us Jack Thompson, you're our only hope!
The article only mentions the Facebook thing for "evidence". There's nothing else? They are extraditing someone from Germany based strictly on THAT? Or is there more but el Reg got a "no comment" and didn't dig any deeper?
Great they think the kraust did it, I successfully fed them the false trail and now I get off scot free. ha ha stupid pigs I am not typing this on facebook so it's not evidence. Victory is mine!!!1
I love this talk of "reality" and "real life". Who put you in charge? Why is your pathetic little life "real" and someone else's not? Very strange form of bigotry.
I like the new look, but I just noticed that on RegHardware pages, the "subtitle" does not show up. For example, on this page, the subtitle below the headline on the front page is "Online war of words went too far?", but it doesn't appear on article page itself.
and they look down their noses at fast track candidates because all they have to offer is their university education, above average IQ's and a grasp of logic. Nothing compared to following your instinct AKA mirroring public hysteria. Let's hope they find the black, Muslim, asylum seeking, Romanian, fat-cat hedge fund manager who actually is responsible. He is probably twiddling his greasy moustache even as I type.
There is a Limburg region in Holland, but there's also Limburg in Hessen (Frankfurt, Wiesbaden area).
I rather wonder whether anyone checked if he has even been to the UK at the time? With the rather extreme (for within EU) border controls, they should be able to check that, no?
...mine's the one with the passport I didn't need yesterday since the government got my Iris scan.
Umm I hope the police have stronger evidence like proper forensics linking the purported criminal to it other than facebook. If not then this is one very desperate police force clutching at straws and trying to not look bad.
Limburg is not only a province in the Netherlands, but also a town about 30mi to the Northwest of Frankfurt, in Central Germany. The official name is Limburg an der Lahn (the Lahn is the river it's situated next to). Lovely place, worth a visit if you're in the vicinity.
<smartarse>
BTW, you should refer to the Netherlands as Netherlands in the future, in order to avoid confusion, since North Holland and South Holland are also provinces of the Netherlands.
What's all this argument about there being insufficient evidence?
People, the police have arrested somebody on SUSPICION of murder. Now I'm not sure about German law, but in English law you don't need a concrete case to arrest somebody. Nor do you need a complete case to charge them. That case is presented when the case comes to court. In any case the doubters are arguing with what was presented in the story, not with the evidence the police actually have.
Anyway read the story again. It says the suspect was arrested AFTER posting a message on facebook, not BECAUSE he posted a message. Time some people learned to read, methinks. And probably time they learned to realise that a few brief paragraphs on a news site are a long way from being the whole story.
In this day and age, in virtually any trial it seems (but especially a technology-related trial or an emotional trial such as murder or any trial involving children), evidence is no longer required. It's preferred to have actual evidence, but it's not necessary. Today's juries will convict regardless of whether or not evidence exists or proof was established. It's groupthink at its finest. If you want an example, just look at the previous comments here. There are a number of people who appear to believe he did it, though I can't possibly understand why.
It's sad that someone's life was senselessly and violently ended prematurely. It's sadder that his family and friends have to carry this with them and try to go on with their own lives. But the saddest, in my opinion, is that our (and by "our", I mean society's) need for "justice" and revenge is so great that things like proof or reasonable doubt are ignored in a pathetic attempt to "solve" everything with the least amount of work possible.
Far as I gather from very little and quick research, for an arrest to happen in Germany, a judge must make out an arrest warrant, which he can only do if sufficient evidence exists to bring a case to trial within a limited period of time. A suspect can only be held by police without such an arrest warrant for max. 48 hours. I can imagine that the requirements for extradition will exceed what is given by the evidence of two identical, rather innocent-sounding messages sent through electronic media...
If you were a complete shit to someone for a period of time and then they died, you would feel bad when you found out they had died.
This might cause you to want to speak to that person close family and apologise for the way you behaved before that person died. That does not automatically responsible for the death.
I do hope they have some other evidence other that a facebook apology ?
"I will pray for you, Jo. You must be suffering unbelievable pains. I'm sorry for having caused so much trouble lately. I hope you won't lose all your hope. We will be there for you."
This sounds like a message of sympathy from someone feeling guilty about recent arguments with the victim to me.
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German man arrested after UK gamer's murder
Mycho
As usual, #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 19:09 GMT
do not make an enemy in public or you'll be the prime suspect if they turn up dead.
Do I think he did it? No idea. I mean if this german's been making trouble with him and his girlfriend maybe she did it.
For all I know it was Paris what dunnit.
Anonymous Coward
Erm..... where's the evidence...? #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 19:09 GMT
Sheesh - the evidence that they're going on is that he posted apologies on FaceSpace.com...?!? Wow, even Aunt Jessica looks for more concrete evidence than that before accusing someone of murder.
Tim Spence
Any relation... #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 19:09 GMT
...to Rudolf? Does bad, and then tries to make peace.
!!11oneeleven
Uhm, .... wtf?! #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 19:09 GMT
That is all
Anonymous Coward
For you, ze war is over... #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 19:09 GMT
How pathetic
Bad Beaver
Prone #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 19:11 GMT
to become quite interesting. Would one really be that stoooopid?
Mike Lovell
Was always going to happen #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 19:11 GMT
I think the guy had no alternative but to take it outside the game. He got serious p0wned last time I saw him play.
There's only so much of an online kicking a man can take.
Anonymous Coward
Violent... RTS? #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 19:11 GMT
Oh no, another tragedy in which a person loses their life because of a videogame. Now we must ban these violent murder simulators like Civilization and SimCity, so other poor children aren't murdered in their beds. Help us Jack Thompson, you're our only hope!
Craig
Ahhh #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 19:11 GMT
So thats what that was.
And heres me assuming it was just drugs related.
tom
not to nitpick, but... #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 19:11 GMT
it's "Advance Wars".
Excellent series of games, esp the earlier ones.
Anonymous Coward
Now that's seriously messed up #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 19:11 GMT
I mean, it's a game, for crying out loud. It's not real. Get a life; not take a life.
yeah, right.
echo... #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 20:17 GMT
The article only mentions the Facebook thing for "evidence". There's nothing else? They are extraditing someone from Germany based strictly on THAT? Or is there more but el Reg got a "no comment" and didn't dig any deeper?
Anonymous Coward
europe #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 20:17 GMT
Welcome to Europe
Wayland Sothcott
Student Murders #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 20:17 GMT
He was from Suffolk and was about to begin a Physics Degree.
The two stabbed french students did a project on Bird Flu
The two Albanian women stabbed, one was a student.
Any more student stabbings?
theotherone
that's what happens #
Posted Friday 26th September 2008 22:54 GMT
that's what happens when you play too much .... you get out of touch with reality
Ivan Headache
The murder was subcontracted out #
Posted Saturday 27th September 2008 03:14 GMT
So Tesco did it.
Anonymous Coward
title need. #
Posted Saturday 27th September 2008 03:14 GMT
Unless they are leaving some thing out, the bar to extradite some in EU is very low.
If this all they had on the guy McKinley never had a chance.
Seán
Phew #
Posted Saturday 27th September 2008 03:14 GMT
Great they think the kraust did it, I successfully fed them the false trail and now I get off scot free. ha ha stupid pigs I am not typing this on facebook so it's not evidence. Victory is mine!!!1
Tobin
Get a life #
Posted Sunday 28th September 2008 08:29 GMT
I love this talk of "reality" and "real life". Who put you in charge? Why is your pathetic little life "real" and someone else's not? Very strange form of bigotry.
DZ-Jay
Where'd the subtitle go? #
Posted Sunday 28th September 2008 08:29 GMT
I like the new look, but I just noticed that on RegHardware pages, the "subtitle" does not show up. For example, on this page, the subtitle below the headline on the front page is "Online war of words went too far?", but it doesn't appear on article page itself.
Is this on purpose?
-dZ.
Dave The Cardboard Box
Coppers eh? #
Posted Sunday 28th September 2008 08:29 GMT
and they look down their noses at fast track candidates because all they have to offer is their university education, above average IQ's and a grasp of logic. Nothing compared to following your instinct AKA mirroring public hysteria. Let's hope they find the black, Muslim, asylum seeking, Romanian, fat-cat hedge fund manager who actually is responsible. He is probably twiddling his greasy moustache even as I type.
Robbie
A title is required. #
Posted Sunday 28th September 2008 08:29 GMT
Limburg is holland ( dutch ) its a province.... lays bordering to germany. google maps anyone?
Robert E A Harvey
IRTA #
Posted Monday 29th September 2008 08:08 GMT
I read the headline as "German man arrested after UK grammar murder" and it still made sense. And I thought "good"
Mine's the one with the glasses in the pocket.
raph
Holland ? #
Posted Monday 29th September 2008 08:08 GMT
There is a Limburg region in Holland, but there's also Limburg in Hessen (Frankfurt, Wiesbaden area).
I rather wonder whether anyone checked if he has even been to the UK at the time? With the rather extreme (for within EU) border controls, they should be able to check that, no?
...mine's the one with the passport I didn't need yesterday since the government got my Iris scan.
B Ward
'ello 'ello what's all this then? #
Posted Monday 29th September 2008 08:08 GMT
Umm I hope the police have stronger evidence like proper forensics linking the purported criminal to it other than facebook. If not then this is one very desperate police force clutching at straws and trying to not look bad.
Anonymous Coward
@Robbie #
Posted Monday 29th September 2008 08:08 GMT
Google Maps, indeed.
Limburg is not only a province in the Netherlands, but also a town about 30mi to the Northwest of Frankfurt, in Central Germany. The official name is Limburg an der Lahn (the Lahn is the river it's situated next to). Lovely place, worth a visit if you're in the vicinity.
<smartarse>
BTW, you should refer to the Netherlands as Netherlands in the future, in order to avoid confusion, since North Holland and South Holland are also provinces of the Netherlands.
</smartarse>
Paris, because why not...
Anonymous Coward
Evidence #
Posted Monday 29th September 2008 08:09 GMT
What's all this argument about there being insufficient evidence?
People, the police have arrested somebody on SUSPICION of murder. Now I'm not sure about German law, but in English law you don't need a concrete case to arrest somebody. Nor do you need a complete case to charge them. That case is presented when the case comes to court. In any case the doubters are arguing with what was presented in the story, not with the evidence the police actually have.
Anyway read the story again. It says the suspect was arrested AFTER posting a message on facebook, not BECAUSE he posted a message. Time some people learned to read, methinks. And probably time they learned to realise that a few brief paragraphs on a news site are a long way from being the whole story.
Chris C
Evidence preferred, but not necessary #
Posted Monday 29th September 2008 08:09 GMT
In this day and age, in virtually any trial it seems (but especially a technology-related trial or an emotional trial such as murder or any trial involving children), evidence is no longer required. It's preferred to have actual evidence, but it's not necessary. Today's juries will convict regardless of whether or not evidence exists or proof was established. It's groupthink at its finest. If you want an example, just look at the previous comments here. There are a number of people who appear to believe he did it, though I can't possibly understand why.
It's sad that someone's life was senselessly and violently ended prematurely. It's sadder that his family and friends have to carry this with them and try to go on with their own lives. But the saddest, in my opinion, is that our (and by "our", I mean society's) need for "justice" and revenge is so great that things like proof or reasonable doubt are ignored in a pathetic attempt to "solve" everything with the least amount of work possible.
Damiaen
@ Robbie #
Posted Monday 29th September 2008 08:09 GMT
Try searching for "Limburg Duitsland" in Google Maps.
Anonymous Coward
Re: Limburg in Holland #
Posted Monday 29th September 2008 08:09 GMT
There is a Limburg (an Der Lahn) just off the A3, 75km north of Frankfurt. Google Maps anyone!
btw. Holland is also a province in the Netherlands, just like Limburg is a province and not the name of the country..... Geography anyone?
stizzleswick
Re: Evidence #
Posted Monday 29th September 2008 09:34 GMT
Far as I gather from very little and quick research, for an arrest to happen in Germany, a judge must make out an arrest warrant, which he can only do if sufficient evidence exists to bring a case to trial within a limited period of time. A suspect can only be held by police without such an arrest warrant for max. 48 hours. I can imagine that the requirements for extradition will exceed what is given by the evidence of two identical, rather innocent-sounding messages sent through electronic media...
Anonymous Coward
Recent student murders. #
Posted Monday 29th September 2008 13:26 GMT
"He was from Suffolk and was about to begin a Physics Degree.
"The two stabbed french students did a project on Bird Flu
"The two Albanian women stabbed, one was a student.
"Any more student stabbings?"
The two chinese students in Manchester (who were involved in international football betting fraud).
Wasn't there a pair killed in the south west (?Bristol?) too? Or was that the Albanians?
Luke Wells
Normal behaviour? #
Posted Monday 29th September 2008 13:26 GMT
If you were a complete shit to someone for a period of time and then they died, you would feel bad when you found out they had died.
This might cause you to want to speak to that person close family and apologise for the way you behaved before that person died. That does not automatically responsible for the death.
I do hope they have some other evidence other that a facebook apology ?
Paris Hilton - Chief of police
Geoff Mackenzie
According to the Independent: #
Posted Monday 29th September 2008 13:26 GMT
Part of the actual note posted to Facebook read:
"I will pray for you, Jo. You must be suffering unbelievable pains. I'm sorry for having caused so much trouble lately. I hope you won't lose all your hope. We will be there for you."
This sounds like a message of sympathy from someone feeling guilty about recent arguments with the victim to me.
Anonymous Coward
Relevance? #
Posted Monday 29th September 2008 13:26 GMT
How is it relevant that the dead guy is a gamer?
FYI, the series is called "Advance" Wars.