He's a lab worker, I'm sure there's no shortage of irritants / carcinogens / flesh eating virii at hand without having to resort to sniffing his laptop.
hmm, cool and funky gadget manufactured by a secretive company led by a charasmatic geek, found to be pumping toxic gas into the environment... Wasn't this a storyline on Dr.Who last season?
It's happened before. The chinese plants where the PSU's are built have sprayed them with insecticide and other things. This should have been cleaned off.
This is not the usual smell of new electronic devices but a distinct hot rubber-like sugary smell that accumulates in the room after a few hours of operation. My 2006-class Mac Pro does it, too (less than before but still in a noticeable way).
I can't talk for the germans as swiss, but the thing (benzen) is called benzol round here and was used as solvent in all sorts of chemical processes, it smells much like marzipan and is very cancerogenic. Older people associate shoe glue with that smell since that's where it has been used ages ago. When you breath it, it gives a nice kick like alcohol first and then evolves to a bad headache (no i don't consume it, i was working in a plant in young years where benzol/benzen was used a lot).
The stuff is dangerous, the stuff definitely shouldn't come out of anything one takes home - no matter whichever crappy vendor sells it.
What worries me, is that said vendor (and probably others as well) is unable to deny or confirm that they use benzol or not in the production of their items, one would expect they had a clue what they have put in that shiny box when they made it...
Also, using benzol in a production line is a sign for cheap 3rd world production, since it should not be used anymore as solvent in production of plastics since years (because it is cancerogenic, while modern replacements are not).
Bottomline: if my gear starts smeeling sweet and marzipan-like after minutes or hours of operations, I throw it far-far away until it stops stinking, no matter what the logo on the box is.
What?! No one has done a Snow White joke yet? And you call this a geek site! Although the AC post about the Sontarans was first rate!
I wonder, is this the same group of Macs that were dying (frying) and caused the big warranty stink a couple years ago? A friend of mine got sucked up in that and ended up buying about 3 macbooks in the course of 18 months before it was all over. Toxic fumes could explain a lot of why people put up with this. I would have thought after the second one wintel would start looking pretty good.
Regardless, exceeding the operating limits by about 100 degrees seems like it could cause some interesting off gassing (to go along with the pretty blue smoke).
Christoph Schneeberger • Thursday 2nd October 2008 15:21 GMT:
[...]
"What worries me, is that said vendor (and probably others as well) is unable to deny or confirm that they use benzol or not in the production of their items, one would expect they had a clue what they have put in that shiny box when they made it..."
[...]
Welcome to the outsourcing era. Nobody seems to want to make their own stuff anymore. I don't know where the Macs are made now, but when I ordered my iBook about 7 years ago, it shipped from Taiwan. Now I think they're assembled in China.
Even so, it may not specifically be the Apple hardware responsible (assuming the Frenchman's claims are correct, which they probably aren't considering the lack of other complainants). Remember that those things have a processor from Intel; a GPU from either Intel, or an AMD or NVIDIA partner; memory from Hyundai, Samsung, etc.; a hard drive maybe from Hitachi or Toshiba; and so on. Who knows what the offending component could be.
Apple probes poison-pumping Mac claim
censored
Toxic gases coming from the keyboard? #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:14 GMT
I already feel more suggestible, and that's after just one sniff.
Sleepy
Um.... #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:14 GMT
He's a lab worker, I'm sure there's no shortage of irritants / carcinogens / flesh eating virii at hand without having to resort to sniffing his laptop.
Anonymous Coward
Strangely familiar... #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:14 GMT
hmm, cool and funky gadget manufactured by a secretive company led by a charasmatic geek, found to be pumping toxic gas into the environment... Wasn't this a storyline on Dr.Who last season?
I for one welcome our new Sontaran overlords.
Anonymous Coward
Nothing new #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:14 GMT
M$'s OS has stunk for years.
Bad Beaver
even with a new Mac... #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:14 GMT
... it pays to use windows every once in a while.
Giles Jones
Happened before #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:14 GMT
It's happened before. The chinese plants where the PSU's are built have sprayed them with insecticide and other things. This should have been cleaned off.
MattW
evapourating #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:14 GMT
You don't want stuff doing that (or indeed evaporating).
Simon
But do they... #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:14 GMT
Pump out as much Apple poison as Webster does?
Hey where is he? Hes been very quiet recently, maybe he bought one those toxic Macs and succumbed.
I seem to remember my old ZX81, it used to get hot and smell of warm solder.
ooh I miss that smell, it still gets me all nostalgic when someone is using a soldering iron, aww.
Sam
Benzene? #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:14 GMT
Isn't benzine what the Germans call petrol?
Ralph B
Fight That Impulse #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:14 GMT
Frenchman? Noxious odours? Must. Control. Stereotypical. Comment.
snafu
Smell different #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:14 GMT
This is not the usual smell of new electronic devices but a distinct hot rubber-like sugary smell that accumulates in the room after a few hours of operation. My 2006-class Mac Pro does it, too (less than before but still in a noticeable way).
Tony Chandler
Wow! #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:14 GMT
Macs poision French people and don't come with Vista? Where can I buy one of these wonderful machines?
Martin
Something fishy... #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:12 GMT
Maybe it should have read "poisson" ?
arran
"distinct hot rubber-like sugary smell " #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 17:03 GMT
I Love the smell of Hardware in the morning.....
Richard Speight
Stereotyping is too easy... #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 17:03 GMT
<quote>the researcher said, his eyes, nose and throat had become severely irritated.</quote>
That'll be the 40 Gitanes he smokes a day then.
Pars, 'cos she often has a tickling sensation at the back of her throat (sorry. Coar. Taxi).
Matt
I can has spelcheker? #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 17:03 GMT
'evapourating'? 'Evaporate' isn't one of those words where it has a 'u' in the british spelling you know!
Christoph Schneeberger
@Sam: not really... #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 17:08 GMT
I can't talk for the germans as swiss, but the thing (benzen) is called benzol round here and was used as solvent in all sorts of chemical processes, it smells much like marzipan and is very cancerogenic. Older people associate shoe glue with that smell since that's where it has been used ages ago. When you breath it, it gives a nice kick like alcohol first and then evolves to a bad headache (no i don't consume it, i was working in a plant in young years where benzol/benzen was used a lot).
The stuff is dangerous, the stuff definitely shouldn't come out of anything one takes home - no matter whichever crappy vendor sells it.
What worries me, is that said vendor (and probably others as well) is unable to deny or confirm that they use benzol or not in the production of their items, one would expect they had a clue what they have put in that shiny box when they made it...
Also, using benzol in a production line is a sign for cheap 3rd world production, since it should not be used anymore as solvent in production of plastics since years (because it is cancerogenic, while modern replacements are not).
Bottomline: if my gear starts smeeling sweet and marzipan-like after minutes or hours of operations, I throw it far-far away until it stops stinking, no matter what the logo on the box is.
Terry
Poison Apple #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 17:08 GMT
What?! No one has done a Snow White joke yet? And you call this a geek site! Although the AC post about the Sontarans was first rate!
I wonder, is this the same group of Macs that were dying (frying) and caused the big warranty stink a couple years ago? A friend of mine got sucked up in that and ended up buying about 3 macbooks in the course of 18 months before it was all over. Toxic fumes could explain a lot of why people put up with this. I would have thought after the second one wintel would start looking pretty good.
Regardless, exceeding the operating limits by about 100 degrees seems like it could cause some interesting off gassing (to go along with the pretty blue smoke).
Eric Dennis
Harmful odorous emminations? #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 17:08 GMT
"The question is, are those chemicals particularly harmful and emitted in doses sufficient to cause consumers harm?"
ONLY IN MAC PROS!! LOL!!!
Anonymous Coward
A pedant writes #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 21:57 GMT
Benzene and benzine are most definitely NOT the same thing.
Benzene = cyclic 6C hydrocarbon
Benzine = mixture of aliphatic short-chain alkanes.
+ something about Wintards/Mactards/epic FAIL/lulz etc.
Scott
Who produces their own stuff anymore? #
Posted Friday 3rd October 2008 00:07 GMT
Christoph Schneeberger • Thursday 2nd October 2008 15:21 GMT:
[...]
"What worries me, is that said vendor (and probably others as well) is unable to deny or confirm that they use benzol or not in the production of their items, one would expect they had a clue what they have put in that shiny box when they made it..."
[...]
Welcome to the outsourcing era. Nobody seems to want to make their own stuff anymore. I don't know where the Macs are made now, but when I ordered my iBook about 7 years ago, it shipped from Taiwan. Now I think they're assembled in China.
Even so, it may not specifically be the Apple hardware responsible (assuming the Frenchman's claims are correct, which they probably aren't considering the lack of other complainants). Remember that those things have a processor from Intel; a GPU from either Intel, or an AMD or NVIDIA partner; memory from Hyundai, Samsung, etc.; a hard drive maybe from Hitachi or Toshiba; and so on. Who knows what the offending component could be.
elderlybloke
Benzene #
Posted Saturday 4th October 2008 09:29 GMT
Hello Sam,
The dangerous stuff is Benzene (e as in death).
Petrol is also called Benzine (i as in life) i Not the deadly stuff.
Carry On Sniffing.