This receiver is NOT a Freesat receiver (as defined by the recently launched BBC/ITV service). It is a FTA receiver and so you will NOT get the very good EPG that is available on Freesat receivers. As it isn't a true Freesat receiver it will NOT receive HDTV from ITV and at this time it also won't receive HDTV from C4.
It also isn't a Freesat receiver as defined by Sky so it won't receive the Sky EPG and most of the HDTV channels available on Sky.
I'd hate people to spend a very large amount of money on a product that does hardly anything!
Ok, I think that the research was lacking a bit here. I've got a Terratec Cinergy S USB which, apart from the CI slot (which by the way, won't work with Sky, i.e. the only such service you'd use in the UK, anyhow) does exactly the same ... on a Mac ... using the same software (Eyetv) ... for £80, including BBC HD. It even goes over USB as a bonus.
There are several others that will work with a Mac and the Eyetv software as well. In fact you can get a list of them on (funnily enough) the Eyetv website with around 2 clicks of the mouse!
The most useful aspect of FreeSat is full EPG support for all participating channels and the heart of a PVR is its programme guide. Would have been nice to see some comment on how well the software side works, with both FreeSat and the wider channel universe.
Meanwhile over here in PC land DVB-S tuners aren't rare or expensive, though S2 support is currently thin on the ground. Doesn't look like Apple will ever escape their pricey reputation :)
EPG on the 310 is provided by tvtv and stored in a database (15 days in advance). The database is fully searchable which is a great way to get informations about TV schedules and to schedule recordings.
As a sidenote Digital Everywhere as a box that is very similar to the EyeTV310 (in fact it is a perfect twin), the FireDTV S2. This box is supported by the EyeTV software on the Mac and is provided with software for Windows (The EyeTV 310 only works under Mac OS X)
"EyeTV also allows you to convert those MPEG 2 files into other formats, such as the more compact H.264 format used by portable devices such as the iPod and PlayStation Portable, and we were able to squash our test files down to about 20MB per minute for standard-definition recordings and 40MB per minute for HD"
So, does this happen in real time? Or do you need to make room for 150MB/minute and then spend hours compressing it?
The same tuner box apart from it being black instead of silver can be had for £160.00. That's £80 cheaper - which is not chump change.... Tell Elgato to stop bullshitting on why the price so high......
In fact what I'd like to know is why EyeTV3 with a DVB tuner included costs £40 and yet the software on it's own and it's £66.
I mean for god's sake you can buy the same box (except black) from here :- www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_4354.html
+ EyeTV DTT for £40 LESS than the cost of the EyeTV 310HD
Quite possibly the most piss-poor review by Reg Hardware ever - where's the research?
Sorry, as I see it, there's no comparison between this and the Humax's Freesat HD capable DVR. With Humax you get 2 tuners and a recorder, whereas this appears to be just a single tuner. Humax have been doing an HD set top box for about £150.
As others have already pointed out, you can forget about easily picking up an EPG for the more exotic channels (e.g. BBC HD!) that you've listed because you won't be able to pick up sky's or freesat's.
They're not available on tvtv, the epg service for Eyetv so you'll quickly be resorting to Radiotime's XMLTV (which can be imported *manually* into eyetv every now and again) service and for other free to air channels you won't be able to find a guide at all!
Anybody that actually buys this thing for UK satellite tv in favour of the cheaper USB satellite receivers for Macs, needs their head examined!
""all" Freesat adds is the EPG (electronic programme Guide)."
Not so. The (BBC/ITV) Freesat channels are on different transponders from the Sky FTA stuff ie there's a lot of apparently wasteful duplication but probably necessary to maintain independence from Sky's ideas of what should be free to air. Where channels are duplicated you can tune in to use either or both.
AC
Yes it's not a Freesat receiver and probably can't use the Freesat EPG but I assume it can use Sky's. I have setup 2 (non Freesat) Satellite receivers recently (Pace and Humax) both of which use Sky EPG perfectly. You wouldn't expect this box to handle most of the Sky HD channels since they're sub only but I don't think we'll have to wait too long for more HD on Freesat. Course you still wo't have the rather good Freesat EPG
"It’s a lot bigger too. [...] That means you won’t be slipping it into your bag so that you can watch TV when you’re on the road with your MacBook laptop."
Looks like all those people who had been optimistically carrying around their MacBooks >and< satellite dishes have been wasting their time!
// Mines the one with the very, very, very big pockets
more extensive list of satellites to choose from #
Posted Monday 1st December 2008 10:17 GMT
Choosing which satellite isn't like selecting channels by doing a channel scan on a Freeview box. You have to choose one of the satellites that the dish is pointing at. So if your dish is pointing at 19.2E (I think this is the original Astra 1 constellation) then your chances of getting the Astra 2 satellites at 28.2E are zero.
I've had the earlier EyeTV 300 box for years and now have the functionally identical FireDTV S2 with EyeTV software for Mac.
1. ITV HD is fine with this setup but it requires editing a plist file in the EyeTV software.
2. Sky subscription and FTV channels can be watched with the addition of a diablo cam and a sky viewing card. Note that the card will not auto-update so needs to be kept alive by being placed in a sky box overnight once every six weeks or so.
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Anonymous John
Er, no. #
Posted Saturday 29th November 2008 10:32 GMT
"The BBC’s solitary HD channel is broadcast free of charge over Freesat, "
It's certainly broadcast free of charge, but "all" Freesat adds is the EPG (electronic programme Guide). This is not a Freesat box.
"And since Humax's promised Freesat HD capable DVR is set to retail for around £299,"
It's already been launched for £293 (with 15% VAT), although in very short supply at present.
Anonymous Coward
Not Freesat #
Posted Saturday 29th November 2008 10:32 GMT
This receiver is NOT a Freesat receiver (as defined by the recently launched BBC/ITV service). It is a FTA receiver and so you will NOT get the very good EPG that is available on Freesat receivers. As it isn't a true Freesat receiver it will NOT receive HDTV from ITV and at this time it also won't receive HDTV from C4.
It also isn't a Freesat receiver as defined by Sky so it won't receive the Sky EPG and most of the HDTV channels available on Sky.
I'd hate people to spend a very large amount of money on a product that does hardly anything!
Marc
"the only one available for the Mac" ????? #
Posted Saturday 29th November 2008 23:27 GMT
Ok, I think that the research was lacking a bit here. I've got a Terratec Cinergy S USB which, apart from the CI slot (which by the way, won't work with Sky, i.e. the only such service you'd use in the UK, anyhow) does exactly the same ... on a Mac ... using the same software (Eyetv) ... for £80, including BBC HD. It even goes over USB as a bonus.
There are several others that will work with a Mac and the Eyetv software as well. In fact you can get a list of them on (funnily enough) the Eyetv website with around 2 clicks of the mouse!
http://www.elgato.com/elgato/int/mainmenu/products/software/EyeTV-3/product3.en.html
Paul
but what about the software? #
Posted Saturday 29th November 2008 23:27 GMT
The most useful aspect of FreeSat is full EPG support for all participating channels and the heart of a PVR is its programme guide. Would have been nice to see some comment on how well the software side works, with both FreeSat and the wider channel universe.
Meanwhile over here in PC land DVB-S tuners aren't rare or expensive, though S2 support is currently thin on the ground. Doesn't look like Apple will ever escape their pricey reputation :)
Anonymous Coward
Alternatives and EPG #
Posted Saturday 29th November 2008 23:27 GMT
EPG on the 310 is provided by tvtv and stored in a database (15 days in advance). The database is fully searchable which is a great way to get informations about TV schedules and to schedule recordings.
As a sidenote Digital Everywhere as a box that is very similar to the EyeTV310 (in fact it is a perfect twin), the FireDTV S2. This box is supported by the EyeTV software on the Mac and is provided with software for Windows (The EyeTV 310 only works under Mac OS X)
Ross Fleming
Big files #
Posted Saturday 29th November 2008 23:27 GMT
"EyeTV also allows you to convert those MPEG 2 files into other formats, such as the more compact H.264 format used by portable devices such as the iPod and PlayStation Portable, and we were able to squash our test files down to about 20MB per minute for standard-definition recordings and 40MB per minute for HD"
So, does this happen in real time? Or do you need to make room for 150MB/minute and then spend hours compressing it?
mr_greedy
DVB-S2... #
Posted Saturday 29th November 2008 23:27 GMT
..isn't a requirement for h.264 streams.
Beeb HD already transmits in h.264 doesn't it?
Jon Press
And while we're carping about accuracy... #
Posted Saturday 29th November 2008 23:29 GMT
DVB-S2 has nothing to do with H.264. BBC HD is broadcast using H.264 video compression and plain old DVB-S (at present).
Steve Medway
Same tuner can be had for £160 #
Posted Saturday 29th November 2008 23:29 GMT
The same tuner box apart from it being black instead of silver can be had for £160.00. That's £80 cheaper - which is not chump change.... Tell Elgato to stop bullshitting on why the price so high......
In fact what I'd like to know is why EyeTV3 with a DVB tuner included costs £40 and yet the software on it's own and it's £66.
I mean for god's sake you can buy the same box (except black) from here :- www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_4354.html
+ EyeTV DTT for £40 LESS than the cost of the EyeTV 310HD
Quite possibly the most piss-poor review by Reg Hardware ever - where's the research?
Mike Parris
Humax #
Posted Saturday 29th November 2008 23:29 GMT
Sorry, as I see it, there's no comparison between this and the Humax's Freesat HD capable DVR. With Humax you get 2 tuners and a recorder, whereas this appears to be just a single tuner. Humax have been doing an HD set top box for about £150.
Marc
Oh and another thing... #
Posted Saturday 29th November 2008 23:36 GMT
As others have already pointed out, you can forget about easily picking up an EPG for the more exotic channels (e.g. BBC HD!) that you've listed because you won't be able to pick up sky's or freesat's.
They're not available on tvtv, the epg service for Eyetv so you'll quickly be resorting to Radiotime's XMLTV (which can be imported *manually* into eyetv every now and again) service and for other free to air channels you won't be able to find a guide at all!
Anybody that actually buys this thing for UK satellite tv in favour of the cheaper USB satellite receivers for Macs, needs their head examined!
Angus Millar
Some comments on previous comments #
Posted Saturday 29th November 2008 23:36 GMT
AJ
""all" Freesat adds is the EPG (electronic programme Guide)."
Not so. The (BBC/ITV) Freesat channels are on different transponders from the Sky FTA stuff ie there's a lot of apparently wasteful duplication but probably necessary to maintain independence from Sky's ideas of what should be free to air. Where channels are duplicated you can tune in to use either or both.
AC
Yes it's not a Freesat receiver and probably can't use the Freesat EPG but I assume it can use Sky's. I have setup 2 (non Freesat) Satellite receivers recently (Pace and Humax) both of which use Sky EPG perfectly. You wouldn't expect this box to handle most of the Sky HD channels since they're sub only but I don't think we'll have to wait too long for more HD on Freesat. Course you still wo't have the rather good Freesat EPG
Anonymous Coward
I can't believe... #
Posted Sunday 30th November 2008 23:16 GMT
...no-one else has pointed out:
"It’s a lot bigger too. [...] That means you won’t be slipping it into your bag so that you can watch TV when you’re on the road with your MacBook laptop."
Looks like all those people who had been optimistically carrying around their MacBooks >and< satellite dishes have been wasting their time!
// Mines the one with the very, very, very big pockets
Nev
FireDTV #
Posted Sunday 30th November 2008 23:16 GMT
Looks like an update of the SD FireDTV box I have.
Except it's been done in white to match Apple kit.
Mark Bowen
...yeah.and.... #
Posted Sunday 30th November 2008 23:16 GMT
...shame on ITV for only providing ITV HD on Freesat. I'll remember that when they hold their hand out for a chunk of licence fee payers money too.
Ed
RE: FireDTV #
Posted Monday 1st December 2008 10:17 GMT
You may have noticed that none of apple's current 'kit' is white. Except for their headphones and connectors that is.
Carl
more extensive list of satellites to choose from #
Posted Monday 1st December 2008 10:17 GMT
Choosing which satellite isn't like selecting channels by doing a channel scan on a Freeview box. You have to choose one of the satellites that the dish is pointing at. So if your dish is pointing at 19.2E (I think this is the original Astra 1 constellation) then your chances of getting the Astra 2 satellites at 28.2E are zero.
Anonymous Coward
Setup works fine. #
Posted Monday 1st December 2008 16:31 GMT
I've had the earlier EyeTV 300 box for years and now have the functionally identical FireDTV S2 with EyeTV software for Mac.
1. ITV HD is fine with this setup but it requires editing a plist file in the EyeTV software.
2. Sky subscription and FTV channels can be watched with the addition of a diablo cam and a sky viewing card. Note that the card will not auto-update so needs to be kept alive by being placed in a sky box overnight once every six weeks or so.
3. EyeTV software is the dogs bollocks.
David Gosnell
@Carl #
Posted Monday 1st December 2008 16:31 GMT
Motorised dishes can be had for not too much money, and this _might_ drive one...
Nev
@Ed RE: FireDTV #
Posted Monday 1st December 2008 16:34 GMT
Wow, so sorry. I take it all back.
Where's my white coat?