Quite surprising that noone thought of using this on fans and propellers for so long (this is actually quite similar to the flutter dampeners present on most aircraft wingtips).
It will be interesting by how much it will drop the average noise from a modern turboprop. It should increase fuel efficiency and MTBF as well because the dynamic drag from turbulence where the two airflows meet is the one of the biggest factors to make propellers noisy and shorten their lifespan.
There's a fan in my XjunkXspares box with exactly this feature; -must be at least 10 years old.
TBF the notches are the same on each blade, so 'different spacing on each blade' to spread the noise spectrum may be a new feature.Even so, Mercedes have used cooling fans with each blade a dfferent size on some of their cars for years.
....though this has been quite widely investigated in the aerospace community, particularly for the trailing edges of primary stage compressors and turbines:
I remember seeing a fan (was a Xerox one, if I'm not mistaken) with dents on the blades. About 17 years ago. True, it had 5 blades, not 9. But still...
The bumps on the front of humpback whale fins (called tubercules) greatly extend the range of windspeeds at which laminar airflow occurs. There is a company called Whalepower ( http://www.whalepower.com/ ) which is testing wind turbine blades with bumpy leading edges; they apparently work quite well.
Noctua sold those as CPU and case fans for quite a while. They are quite efficient. Replaced all my fans with them a while ago and they are very effective (silent) (especially as they are around the same price as your standard fan....).
Anonymous Coward
Is thata flux capacitor in the middle of the fan module #
Lacie (Yes LACIE not La Cie -- ask them, they pronounce it lacy) make horrible, heavy, expensive crap. We are forced to purchase some for our apple mac labs as some idiot in a tie told our director that only lacie is supported for firewire 2 video work on mac... ha!!
I would much rather go out and buy a WD disk drive and a caddy than one of these things. On the other hand, when they die, they make great door stops due to their weight.
Fascinating article and links (thanks to everyone above), spent a good while reading about whales and such which I didn't expect!
This is really going to annoy most here I imagine, but after doing a search for the fans - since they're so damn fantastic, do I find they're also so damn ugly! Looks like recycled plastic to me with no option for LED ones!
Poo poo and pish pish I hear you mumbling as you start to climb on those ever so high horses, but surely the PC modding / gaming or the just really shallow "I want my PC fans to light up" market is huge and yet the ultra quiet fan market seems (for the most part - I know there are a few exceptions) to shun us, sorry - them!!!
Seems like a bit of a waste of R&D not to make the most capital return you possibly can.
Quantum - no, the notches are on the trailing edge.
But Why???? - the transparent polycarbonate used to make lighty up fans is unfortunately more brittle than that used to make non-lighty-up fans and as a consequence is less well damped and more prone to audible resonance, something you'd understandably want to avoid in a "silent" fan. Or so I've heard.
Oh, and in addition to the article... I seem to recall the large fin area and small gaps being a design feature adopted by Noctua in their CPU cooler fans to make them cope better with the back pressure provided by your average modern tower heatsink; something Noctua's earlier fans, with their narrow, widely-spaced fins, were not very good at.
La Cie's quiet fans
Martin Lyne
Also: #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 13:58 GMT
Looks awesome.
I wouldn't wnat to turn them on becuase they're so pretty..
Neil Daniels
The "notches in different places" idea... #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 13:58 GMT
Sounds a bit iffy with regards to keeping the blades balanced.
Anton Ivanov
Interesting... #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 13:58 GMT
Quite surprising that noone thought of using this on fans and propellers for so long (this is actually quite similar to the flutter dampeners present on most aircraft wingtips).
It will be interesting by how much it will drop the average noise from a modern turboprop. It should increase fuel efficiency and MTBF as well because the dynamic drag from turbulence where the two airflows meet is the one of the biggest factors to make propellers noisy and shorten their lifespan.
Chris Holford
Hardly new #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 13:58 GMT
There's a fan in my XjunkXspares box with exactly this feature; -must be at least 10 years old.
TBF the notches are the same on each blade, so 'different spacing on each blade' to spread the noise spectrum may be a new feature.Even so, Mercedes have used cooling fans with each blade a dfferent size on some of their cars for years.
Iain
Slice & Dice #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 13:58 GMT
"The Noctua NF-P12 fan design has nine, not seven, blades" - is this a reference to Life of Brian?
Anyway, nice idea, I'm off to take a Stanley to my fan to improve cooling.
Diccon
Extractor fan #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 13:58 GMT
Mmm. Wonder if this would work on the extractor fan in the bathroom which makes a god-awful noise.
Anonymous Coward
Cat out of the bag? #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 14:01 GMT
Cool stuff - but now they've bragged about it won't every other fan maker start doing the same thing as well? Or is that what patents are for?
Jet Set Willy
We're doomed!! #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 14:01 GMT
From Monty Python's Life of Brian...
"For the demon shall bear a nine-bladed sword. Nine-bladed! Not two or five or seven, but nine, which he will wield on all wretched sinners"
Mines the anorak with "Romanes Eunt Domus" on the back.
Jamie Kitson
No Owl? #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 14:04 GMT
Wasn't this design inspired by an owl's wing...?
No, a bit of searching finds quite a different looking thinkpad fan:
http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=81
Neil Stansbury
Elegant solution... #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 14:04 GMT
....though this has been quite widely investigated in the aerospace community, particularly for the trailing edges of primary stage compressors and turbines:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5088665.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5533865.html
http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-01102005-202530/unrestricted/DHG_Thesis_Ch5-6.pdf
Lionel Baden
DIY #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 14:05 GMT
right im off to see to my home computer with a penknife.
technically no reason it shouldnt work :)
Marcelo Rodrigues
Not exactly new... #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 14:47 GMT
I remember seeing a fan (was a Xerox one, if I'm not mistaken) with dents on the blades. About 17 years ago. True, it had 5 blades, not 9. But still...
Quantum
Dysinformation #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 14:47 GMT
Um, the notches in the picture are on the -leading- edge, not on the trailing edge.
Anonymous Coward
What effect does it have on air throughput? #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 14:47 GMT
Now the interesting question is; how does the volume of air moved compare between this and a conventional fan design of the same speed/size?
Frank Bough
Humpback Whales #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 16:14 GMT
...have notches much like these on their flippers. Supposed to hugely benefit stall performance, increase lift and reduce drag.
Murray Pearson
Humpback whales... #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 16:31 GMT
...Frank beat me to it.
The bumps on the front of humpback whale fins (called tubercules) greatly extend the range of windspeeds at which laminar airflow occurs. There is a company called Whalepower ( http://www.whalepower.com/ ) which is testing wind turbine blades with bumpy leading edges; they apparently work quite well.
Brian
re Dysinformation.. #
Posted Friday 12th December 2008 20:05 GMT
No they are leading edge. On the Left image the fan spins counter clockwise. They are strange looking blades
Charles Osborne
Back in the PDP-11 days... #
Posted Saturday 13th December 2008 03:28 GMT
the big cabinet fans had teeth on their trailing edges. It was the site managers who had teeth on their leading edges.
Richard Boyce
Flying whales need all the help they can get #
Posted Saturday 13th December 2008 12:09 GMT
Murray, I didn't know whales could fly. Probably a result of evolutionary pressure from exposure to Infinite Improbability Drives.
Stephane Mabille
Works very well #
Posted Monday 15th December 2008 10:33 GMT
Hi,
Noctua sold those as CPU and case fans for quite a while. They are quite efficient. Replaced all my fans with them a while ago and they are very effective (silent) (especially as they are around the same price as your standard fan....).
Anonymous Coward
Is thata flux capacitor in the middle of the fan module #
Posted Monday 15th December 2008 12:50 GMT
Why yes, I believe it is.
Dennis
@Murray #
Posted Monday 15th December 2008 13:54 GMT
Good link, good teech.
The thing that made me need a new keyboard was the inventors name: Frank Fish.
Genius.
Nearly as good as Lord Chief Justice I Judge....
Anonymous Coward
Overpriced crap #
Posted Monday 15th December 2008 13:54 GMT
Lacie (Yes LACIE not La Cie -- ask them, they pronounce it lacy) make horrible, heavy, expensive crap. We are forced to purchase some for our apple mac labs as some idiot in a tie told our director that only lacie is supported for firewire 2 video work on mac... ha!!
I would much rather go out and buy a WD disk drive and a caddy than one of these things. On the other hand, when they die, they make great door stops due to their weight.
Maryland, USA
How does a 40% drop in noise = 15dB? #
Posted Monday 15th December 2008 13:54 GMT
Doesn't every additional 3dB = a 100% rise? Dropping noise by 40%, then, would drop dB by less than 3dB.
Anonymous Coward
But Why???? #
Posted Tuesday 16th December 2008 08:05 GMT
Fascinating article and links (thanks to everyone above), spent a good while reading about whales and such which I didn't expect!
This is really going to annoy most here I imagine, but after doing a search for the fans - since they're so damn fantastic, do I find they're also so damn ugly! Looks like recycled plastic to me with no option for LED ones!
Poo poo and pish pish I hear you mumbling as you start to climb on those ever so high horses, but surely the PC modding / gaming or the just really shallow "I want my PC fans to light up" market is huge and yet the ultra quiet fan market seems (for the most part - I know there are a few exceptions) to shun us, sorry - them!!!
Seems like a bit of a waste of R&D not to make the most capital return you possibly can.
That's me! Flame away
blackworx
@ Quantum & But Why???? #
Posted Tuesday 16th December 2008 19:28 GMT
Quantum - no, the notches are on the trailing edge.
But Why???? - the transparent polycarbonate used to make lighty up fans is unfortunately more brittle than that used to make non-lighty-up fans and as a consequence is less well damped and more prone to audible resonance, something you'd understandably want to avoid in a "silent" fan. Or so I've heard.
Oh, and in addition to the article... I seem to recall the large fin area and small gaps being a design feature adopted by Noctua in their CPU cooler fans to make them cope better with the back pressure provided by your average modern tower heatsink; something Noctua's earlier fans, with their narrow, widely-spaced fins, were not very good at.