If the Beeb used my licence fee money to fund this "innovation", I'd be royally hacked off. Their iPlayer work, on the other hand - very good. And that's coming from a Mac owner.
Seriously - red and green specs? Are they going to be delivered to me on the back of a cereal packet, too?
HD is barely worth the bother of switching as it is (I'm not bothering until my Sky+ box dies, SD looks fine on my 40" 1080p anyway), 3D even less so.
@JonB, I think you find that gimmicks come from a company that has to maintain a it viewing figures which http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:All_Sky_viewing_figures.png
No one is talking 3D in the TV industry its a gimmick the industry has just adjusted to HD never mind the next big thing. Sky will really have to show that 3D can make money and shot things 3D and not just process 2D footage which a number of companies are doing.
You mean the company that put advanceed television viewing back years by choosing the cheaper PAL standard rather than the digital sound and widescreen-supporting D(2)-MAC that the more forward-thinking countries were adopting?
Even on their own satellite channels the BBC were broadcasting widescreen years before Sky got around to it.
And once again you can't win against relentlessly thoughtless opinionation: if the Beeb /had/ started developing 3d, guess who'd be complaining about them wasting your money instead of developing world class-leading television?
@JonB - you are joking, right? Name one single innovation that Sky has come up with, other than convincing idiots to pay for three hundred channels of crap.
Didn't Sharp release a 3D monitor that didn't need glasses a few years back? It required you to sit in a very well defined area, but it looked cool. Not seen one in the wild though...
Dear God why? Quick everyone, buy a digital TV, quick everyone, buy an HD TV, quick everyone, buy a proper HD TV, now 3D? lol, what a load of crap. Their basic service is barely worth it, what with it being stuffed with adverts 33% of the time, unless you take out a 2nd mortgage of course to watch 3 year old films and overblown circus, sorry football matches.
Why the hell would you need Red & Green Stereoscopic glasses on a 3D TV. A bog standard TV can display Red/Green stereoscopic images, hell, even paper can! Surely you would need polarizing glasses or something along those lines? Surely the future can't be 3D but in 2 amazing horrific colours!?!?
This, recession, an A Team movie and plans to build a plane that will get to Australia in 90 minutes. I feel like I have stepped in to a time warp back 20 years ago.
So Sky see their traditional sources of income being squeezed and this is the best response they can come up with?
This is the same crappy "3D" tech which they've been flogging for years, it's a joke. For Sky to be persuing this gimic speaks volumes about their confidence in their future with FreeSat, terrestrial HD and Virgin storming into their home turf. What's next, Smellovision?
To the guy who thinks this is the sort of 'innovation' required from the BBC, I'd scream bloody murder if they even spent a single pound of my license fee persuing such a stupid technology.
After spending £400 on a HDTV, another £200 on Sky HD, as well as the £120 p/a subscription fee for Sky HD, on top of theSky subscription, there is no way in hell that I'm going to spend another £400 on a new TV as well as the usual £200+£10pm fee that Sky will want to charge for the service.
HDTV is still sort of new, people who have just upgraded will not want to pay for a new upgrade, even within 2 years
@ JonB - Why would the BBC want to spend millions of taxpayers money on a system which no one can use right now, and may never want to use? The Japanese are already using Super-HD, so it could end up a fight between Super-HD and 3D-TV, do you really want the BBC spending licence fee money on a system which may lose the battle against Super-HD? Or would you rather they let the private sector take the risks, and just do what they do, broadcast the content.
The 3D demos that Sky have been doing do not use Red/Green glasses, but use polarised light (grey glasses) like in the cinemas. Phillips have a TV that doesnt need glasses but I'd be worried about viewing distance and angle with that one.
If this had been developed by the beeb this article would be swamped with posts complaining about the waste of license payers money on technology that few people want or would be able to get.
TV system I saw had an enormous LED backlight then two differently polarised LCD screens in series, hence requiring the luser mounted left/right polaroid glasses. OK for Italians, watching TV indoors wearing sunglasses!!
Other webstuff mentioned that there are around 4 other competing 3D technologies, I wish there was actually some RF Spectrum defined to carry all those important 3d Jordan pixels across the airwaves.
Anyway we have to be nice to SKY as don't they still employ the NDS spetsnaz?, strange how the two French satellite systems TPS and ABsat were on Hotbird until recently (...with new Viacess keys leaked regularly) now there's just a monopoly CANALsat using , surprise, NDS encryption technology on Astra. Do I really need a decoder card posted to a French address or can I just buy in a French supermarket? Ciel, non merci!
there's a whole lot of negativity on here, at least someone's trying the BBC are far too busy pissing my license money on twats like Ross to afford to innovate and showing far too much crap reality TV, even the "edgy" BBC3 is mediocre at best. Yes Sky is subscription service and no one is forcing you too, you could watch terrestrial, or go virgin, Sky have done some great things the HD is excellent, if you can't see it you have a bum TV or bad eyes.
Considering how often you get ripped into when you make comments here I have to wonder if you are the same JonB who is registered on a certain M/Cycle site, even though that JonB (Who may be you) doesn't own a bike and his comments get ripped into there as well. Are you the same JonB?
Im not too sure about red and green specs, dont they use polarized glasses? they look like light tinted sunglasses. Either way i hope it does come because it means that HD wont be their premium service and so hopefully drop the high price tags and 'HD subscription' charges!!
I embrace this new technology, i embrace all new technology its a step in the right direction instead of nothing!!
.. the BBC don't spend money on R&D ? All those "I'm glad they spend our money on TV than silly innovations.." really don't know what the BBC do.
They spend a *HUGE* amount of money on R&D every year. A few years back they spent a fortune on developing a plasma TV with a company called Delphi - which to be honest was really pants anyway. Did sell a few units because of it's "Developed in conjunction with the BBC" sticker but wasn't worth the huge price tag.
No, don't do motorbikes at all. Must be a different one. Wouldn't the world be boring if we all agreed though?
Certainly kicked up a shit storm with that one didn't I. ;)
I wasn't really suggesting that the beeb should do it, just observing that the private sector is where it comes from, not the subsidised tax junkies at the beeb. It's interesting that those who don't want their tax spent on innovation do want it spent on the iPlayer though.
Most of you lot seem to think that the red and green 3D visualisation requires special transmission and receiving equipment? Surely to god with a little thought you can see that the reg has just tacked on a load of bollocks there? If it is glasses it'll be polaroid. Also you lot do realise that you can get 3D displays that don't require glasses?
>I'm not sure but I doubt that a 3D signal can be broadcast on the analgue spectrum.
Analogue is getting turned off. However, it's self evident that multiple video streams can be transmitted at once anyway. Do you think that BBC 2 turns off when you switch to BBC 1?
>And of course the BBC didn't develop the iPlayer did it ...
You tube led the way there. To the point where after massive development cost the beeb shifted the product to act more like it. I bet youporn has more viewers.
>Damned if you don't, damned if you do.
Well, yes, that's a fair point.
>Sky costs three times as much and provides bugger all quality programming.
You don't have to pay for it though. No want, no pay.
>Hate to burst your bubble.. BBC did a trial of 3D broadcasting last year.
Burst away, being proved wrong is to be educated as they say. I hadn't heard about that, I think there'll be a few on here deeply upset at that news. At least one unnamed individual will be screaming "bloody murder" about it.
There's some criticism of it from a commercial viewpoint, ie. no-one wants it. You really don't know unless you try it. Ticking along producing endless radio panel games for the last 40 years might seem like a good plan if you follow that line of thinking.. oh...
Every specs-requiring 3D TV we've seen of late uses polarising lenses, not red and green ones, but that's what Sky said they were using.
Won't it be fun if they launch a 3D TV service that requires red and green glasses than none of the available tellies can use? He-He.
FWIW, Reg Hardware remains entirely unconvinced there's any benefit to having 3D TV, for all the (two) cool 3D Imax movies we've seen. We do like Imax. We think it'll go the way of the 'interactive movie'.
It has been possible for years to send a depth channel plus normal 2D video and render with a variety of formats at the receiving end. Overhead was less than 10% of the video track and is probably much better now. That ability is also a nice side-effect of one of the better technologies for processing 2D footage into 3D.
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JonB
Innovation... #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 15:53 GMT
Once again, innovation comes from the private sector rather than the subsidised tax junkies at the beeb.
AF
Re: Innovation #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:53 GMT
If the Beeb used my licence fee money to fund this "innovation", I'd be royally hacked off. Their iPlayer work, on the other hand - very good. And that's coming from a Mac owner.
Seriously - red and green specs? Are they going to be delivered to me on the back of a cereal packet, too?
HD is barely worth the bother of switching as it is (I'm not bothering until my Sky+ box dies, SD looks fine on my 40" 1080p anyway), 3D even less so.
Daniel Dainty
For those of us who don't see in 3D #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:53 GMT
these red-green glasses are pretty much useless.
Neil
New? #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
I remember watching 3D videos with red/green specs back in the very early 80's when I was a wee nipper.
Anonymous Coward
3D #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
from non 3D image.. it'll be a faked up version which will most likey make you feel sick after a while and won't be that good.
Not interested.
Mike
@JonB #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
Thank god for that.
This is nothing but a gimmick and I'm glad that the Beeb are spending the license money on more useful stuff like iPlayer than this tosh.
Chris Miller
@JonB #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
Right ... now if only Sky could get hold of some half-way decent content to display on it (other than footy).
Stu Reeves
@Jon #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
Actually, the Beeb are working on. It was on some BBC show last night (Inside Out or The One Show?). Most likely where the reg got the story from.
Anonymous Coward
HD not 3D #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
@JonB, I think you find that gimmicks come from a company that has to maintain a it viewing figures which http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:All_Sky_viewing_figures.png
No one is talking 3D in the TV industry its a gimmick the industry has just adjusted to HD never mind the next big thing. Sky will really have to show that 3D can make money and shot things 3D and not just process 2D footage which a number of companies are doing.
Cameron Colley
No thanks, if it's all the same. #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
I'd rather not have to wear silly glasses to watch a flickering screen when I want to see some telly or a film.
Paul M
Innovation from Sky??!? #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
You mean the company that put advanceed television viewing back years by choosing the cheaper PAL standard rather than the digital sound and widescreen-supporting D(2)-MAC that the more forward-thinking countries were adopting?
Even on their own satellite channels the BBC were broadcasting widescreen years before Sky got around to it.
Robert Grant
@JonB #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
And once again you can't win against relentlessly thoughtless opinionation: if the Beeb /had/ started developing 3d, guess who'd be complaining about them wasting your money instead of developing world class-leading television?
Dominic Tristram
3D #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
@JonB - you are joking, right? Name one single innovation that Sky has come up with, other than convincing idiots to pay for three hundred channels of crap.
Didn't Sharp release a 3D monitor that didn't need glasses a few years back? It required you to sit in a very well defined area, but it looked cool. Not seen one in the wild though...
DT
Innovation? #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
@JonB
Did you not live in the 80s? Dual colour specs != innovation.
As for the Beeb being tax junkies...since when is SKY free (and since when did they create any original content worth watching?)
Stephen Penna
@JonB #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
Hate to burst your bubble.. BBC did a trial of 3D broadcasting last year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7286852.stm
And who were the first to run a HD channel in the UK? Beeb I believe.
Just saying.
Anonymous Coward
Oh hooray #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
Dear God why? Quick everyone, buy a digital TV, quick everyone, buy an HD TV, quick everyone, buy a proper HD TV, now 3D? lol, what a load of crap. Their basic service is barely worth it, what with it being stuffed with adverts 33% of the time, unless you take out a 2nd mortgage of course to watch 3 year old films and overblown circus, sorry football matches.
Dick Emery
lolwut? #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
Red and Green specs? That may have been the big thing back in the 50's but this is 2009 people!
stickman
innovation? #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
once again we are asked to wear stupid cardboard specs
Anonymous Coward
Which 3D #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
Is this the 3D that's done with two cameras or the one where they colour everything all red and green?
George Shaw
Innovation ? #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
Innovation!!! Really... red and green specs... they having a laugh... !!!!
Tom
Red and Green Specs #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
Why the hell would you need Red & Green Stereoscopic glasses on a 3D TV. A bog standard TV can display Red/Green stereoscopic images, hell, even paper can! Surely you would need polarizing glasses or something along those lines? Surely the future can't be 3D but in 2 amazing horrific colours!?!?
Anonymous Coward
It is like living the 80s all over again. #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
This, recession, an A Team movie and plans to build a plane that will get to Australia in 90 minutes. I feel like I have stepped in to a time warp back 20 years ago.
Except for the whole interweb thing natch
Marc
Ummm ........ #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:54 GMT
So you need to wear some weirdo pair of plastic glasses?
I'll save my money for "Hologram ready" TV...
Martin Lyne
@ JonB #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:55 GMT
I'd be a bit annoyed if the BBC spent my money on RnD instead of, you know, stuff to watch. Not that I watch TV.
Saul
Never mind the licence fee, feel the width... #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:55 GMT
I should bloody hope so! Sky costs three times as much and provides bugger all quality programming. The money has to be used for something.
And no, buying Premier League football rights doesn't count.
Anonymous Coward
Desperation #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:55 GMT
So Sky see their traditional sources of income being squeezed and this is the best response they can come up with?
This is the same crappy "3D" tech which they've been flogging for years, it's a joke. For Sky to be persuing this gimic speaks volumes about their confidence in their future with FreeSat, terrestrial HD and Virgin storming into their home turf. What's next, Smellovision?
To the guy who thinks this is the sort of 'innovation' required from the BBC, I'd scream bloody murder if they even spent a single pound of my license fee persuing such a stupid technology.
David Webb
Nope! #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:55 GMT
After spending £400 on a HDTV, another £200 on Sky HD, as well as the £120 p/a subscription fee for Sky HD, on top of theSky subscription, there is no way in hell that I'm going to spend another £400 on a new TV as well as the usual £200+£10pm fee that Sky will want to charge for the service.
HDTV is still sort of new, people who have just upgraded will not want to pay for a new upgrade, even within 2 years
@ JonB - Why would the BBC want to spend millions of taxpayers money on a system which no one can use right now, and may never want to use? The Japanese are already using Super-HD, so it could end up a fight between Super-HD and 3D-TV, do you really want the BBC spending licence fee money on a system which may lose the battle against Super-HD? Or would you rather they let the private sector take the risks, and just do what they do, broadcast the content.
Paul
@JonB #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:55 GMT
Sky have developed this for their own system, which will translate the data in the box before passing it to the TV.
I'm not sure but I doubt that a 3D signal can be broadcast on the analgue spectrum.
And of course the BBC didn't develop the iPlayer did it ...
Caffeine Junkie
Just the facts maam, just the facts. #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:55 GMT
The 3D demos that Sky have been doing do not use Red/Green glasses, but use polarised light (grey glasses) like in the cinemas. Phillips have a TV that doesnt need glasses but I'd be worried about viewing distance and angle with that one.
Kris Whitmore
@innovation #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:55 GMT
If this had been developed by the beeb this article would be swamped with posts complaining about the waste of license payers money on technology that few people want or would be able to get.
Damned if you don't, damned if you do.
Warhelmet
Innovation? #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:55 GMT
Oh, is this the same 3D techology that use glasses with LCD shutters? Or is it something different?
I really don't know why they bother with the tv. Why not just have the glasses?
Ian Ferguson
Innovation? #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:55 GMT
More like another gimmick to sell new TVs... after all, it won't be long until every home has a shiny HDTV, so they'll need something new to flog.
Jerome
Fantastic #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:55 GMT
And all you need is a 3D TV. I think you get a free one with the Daily Mail this week...
pctechxp
Not really new #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:55 GMT
As 3D has been around for years
Mike Ball
How about...... #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:55 GMT
... fixing the *** bugs that still bedevil the HD box and give us the long overdue HD EPG before announcing yet more blue-sky features?
Craig
Specs? #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:55 GMT
No thanks, wake me up when they can do proper 3D.
Or: spend this R&D time making a better Sky HD box :)
Rob Wiltshire
Any chance ... #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 18:55 GMT
... of getting more than 2 decent HD channels before they start worrying about 3D?
An nonymous Cowerd
two lcd's #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 22:59 GMT
TV system I saw had an enormous LED backlight then two differently polarised LCD screens in series, hence requiring the luser mounted left/right polaroid glasses. OK for Italians, watching TV indoors wearing sunglasses!!
Other webstuff mentioned that there are around 4 other competing 3D technologies, I wish there was actually some RF Spectrum defined to carry all those important 3d Jordan pixels across the airwaves.
Anyway we have to be nice to SKY as don't they still employ the NDS spetsnaz?, strange how the two French satellite systems TPS and ABsat were on Hotbird until recently (...with new Viacess keys leaked regularly) now there's just a monopoly CANALsat using , surprise, NDS encryption technology on Astra. Do I really need a decoder card posted to a French address or can I just buy in a French supermarket? Ciel, non merci!
Anonymous Coward
BBC Emplyees posting? #
Posted Thursday 29th January 2009 22:59 GMT
there's a whole lot of negativity on here, at least someone's trying the BBC are far too busy pissing my license money on twats like Ross to afford to innovate and showing far too much crap reality TV, even the "edgy" BBC3 is mediocre at best. Yes Sky is subscription service and no one is forcing you too, you could watch terrestrial, or go virgin, Sky have done some great things the HD is excellent, if you can't see it you have a bum TV or bad eyes.
/Rant at naysayers.
David Wiernicki
3D TELEVISION?????? #
Posted Friday 30th January 2009 04:27 GMT
Next thing you know, we'll have VIDEO PHONES!!!!!
Ahem.
Jay
@JonB #
Posted Friday 30th January 2009 04:27 GMT
Considering how often you get ripped into when you make comments here I have to wonder if you are the same JonB who is registered on a certain M/Cycle site, even though that JonB (Who may be you) doesn't own a bike and his comments get ripped into there as well. Are you the same JonB?
James
Red and Green specs? #
Posted Friday 30th January 2009 10:13 GMT
Im not too sure about red and green specs, dont they use polarized glasses? they look like light tinted sunglasses. Either way i hope it does come because it means that HD wont be their premium service and so hopefully drop the high price tags and 'HD subscription' charges!!
I embrace this new technology, i embrace all new technology its a step in the right direction instead of nothing!!
James Prior
You really think .. #
Posted Friday 30th January 2009 10:13 GMT
.. the BBC don't spend money on R&D ? All those "I'm glad they spend our money on TV than silly innovations.." really don't know what the BBC do.
They spend a *HUGE* amount of money on R&D every year. A few years back they spent a fortune on developing a plasma TV with a company called Delphi - which to be honest was really pants anyway. Did sell a few units because of it's "Developed in conjunction with the BBC" sticker but wasn't worth the huge price tag.
JonB
@Jay #
Posted Friday 30th January 2009 10:13 GMT
No, don't do motorbikes at all. Must be a different one. Wouldn't the world be boring if we all agreed though?
Certainly kicked up a shit storm with that one didn't I. ;)
I wasn't really suggesting that the beeb should do it, just observing that the private sector is where it comes from, not the subsidised tax junkies at the beeb. It's interesting that those who don't want their tax spent on innovation do want it spent on the iPlayer though.
Most of you lot seem to think that the red and green 3D visualisation requires special transmission and receiving equipment? Surely to god with a little thought you can see that the reg has just tacked on a load of bollocks there? If it is glasses it'll be polaroid. Also you lot do realise that you can get 3D displays that don't require glasses?
>I'm not sure but I doubt that a 3D signal can be broadcast on the analgue spectrum.
Analogue is getting turned off. However, it's self evident that multiple video streams can be transmitted at once anyway. Do you think that BBC 2 turns off when you switch to BBC 1?
>And of course the BBC didn't develop the iPlayer did it ...
You tube led the way there. To the point where after massive development cost the beeb shifted the product to act more like it. I bet youporn has more viewers.
>Damned if you don't, damned if you do.
Well, yes, that's a fair point.
>Sky costs three times as much and provides bugger all quality programming.
You don't have to pay for it though. No want, no pay.
>Hate to burst your bubble.. BBC did a trial of 3D broadcasting last year.
Burst away, being proved wrong is to be educated as they say. I hadn't heard about that, I think there'll be a few on here deeply upset at that news. At least one unnamed individual will be screaming "bloody murder" about it.
There's some criticism of it from a commercial viewpoint, ie. no-one wants it. You really don't know unless you try it. Ticking along producing endless radio panel games for the last 40 years might seem like a good plan if you follow that line of thinking.. oh...
Tony Smith, Editor, Reg Hardware
@James (not Prior - the other one) #
Posted Friday 30th January 2009 11:11 GMT
Every specs-requiring 3D TV we've seen of late uses polarising lenses, not red and green ones, but that's what Sky said they were using.
Won't it be fun if they launch a 3D TV service that requires red and green glasses than none of the available tellies can use? He-He.
FWIW, Reg Hardware remains entirely unconvinced there's any benefit to having 3D TV, for all the (two) cool 3D Imax movies we've seen. We do like Imax. We think it'll go the way of the 'interactive movie'.
Are we right or wrong? What do you think?
Anonymous Coward
A title, #
Posted Friday 30th January 2009 11:11 GMT
wake me up when 3d actually means
'help me obi wan, your our only hope....'
not red + blue lenses, polarizing lenses or those lenticular tv (that LG do)
JonB
@Tony Smith #
Posted Friday 30th January 2009 13:41 GMT
>but that's what Sky said they were using.
Well, if that's what they said I guess that's what you have to report.
My apologies for the suggestion that you just tacked it on for effect.
>Won't it be fun if they launch a 3D TV service that requires red and green glasses
>than none of the available tellies can use? He-He.
But any telly can display the red and green pictures.
What would the special hardware do?
>entirely unconvinced there's any benefit to having 3D TV
Ditto, but then I'm unconvinced about HD as well, yet they're all going a bundle on it.
Anonymous Coward
3D TV doesn't mean 2xbandwidth #
Posted Friday 30th January 2009 15:32 GMT
It has been possible for years to send a depth channel plus normal 2D video and render with a variety of formats at the receiving end. Overhead was less than 10% of the video track and is probably much better now. That ability is also a nice side-effect of one of the better technologies for processing 2D footage into 3D.