Why on earth do you need a keyboard to read a book?
Surely the display should occupy the whole front of the machine, and the keyboard slide out for the odd occasions when you need it?
I am quite keen on the idea of ebook readers, but I don't like the lack of an agreed, open source, format for texts (I don't object to copyright control, that could be done with a published standard in a number of ways). I really don't like proprietary standards. I don't need different specs to read books by different publishers.
Looks better than the space 1999 prop reject that the original was. However I would of preferred a larger screen, with a slide out keyboard. The big question is will it support native PDF files without conversion?
The last time I saw those keys must have been on a calculator back in the late 80s... is there a price for "most unergonomic key layout in a consumer device"? Amazon must be after it. I also wonder why the wasted space around the display is getting bigger and bigger. All in all, they are moving. I can't say improving as the first Kindle looked like a 70s prop from STAR WARS and this one like novelty crap from the 80s but not necessarily any better.
I just can't understand why anyone would want to read a book on this when you can just read a book. The only thing I could ever think of using this for would be technical books where a search function might be helpful.
The index is only as good as the person who wrote it.
That said I would not pay over $50 for such a device.
Because some folks actually have to leave the house every once and so often and like/need to take their books with them, as in not just one or two but many big, heavy volumes. Ever reflected on that? It is true that an e-book reader can never truly replace a real book, especially not that of nicely made one, yet it is also true that an e-book reader removes a lot of the pain and hassle from the experience when it comes to having your book with you. Again, the Kindle is not that device. It is incredibly tied and underfeatured. Any device with easy, free PDF support surpasses it, not even to speak of those with a touchscreen allowing—behold!—to actually do some real work on them, beyond painfully tapping in some notes.
The reason Why ebook readers are a cool idea is that books are inefficient -- you have to go to a bookstore to buy them or have them shipped. You have to carry them around and they're relatively heavy and take up a lot of space.
Here are a couple of the use cases where the Kindle would be very cool:
* You live in a country where they speak language X, but your native tongue is Y, so you can't buy books in Y easilly.
* You want to read the newspaper everyday, but delivery of the paper is not available.
* You travel but don't want to bring everything you MIGHT want to read.
eBooks more espensive than their paper equivalents #
Posted Monday 9th February 2009 20:59 GMT
Particularly for "mass market" titles, the eBook version is often only available from the publisher. They typically offer a 10% discount for the electronic version, while you can pick up a physical copy at your book store for 20% or 30% off the publishers price.
The first book I checked on Amazon (Liberty: A Lake Wobegon Novel), costs $11.44 on the Kindle, and $10.20 in the dead-tree edition. Other titles are slightly cheaper, but not enough to justify the huge premium for the device itself, unless you spend a lot of money at Amazon already.
Official Amazon Kindle 2 images leak out
Robert E A Harvey
erk? #
Posted Monday 9th February 2009 15:58 GMT
Why on earth do you need a keyboard to read a book?
Surely the display should occupy the whole front of the machine, and the keyboard slide out for the odd occasions when you need it?
I am quite keen on the idea of ebook readers, but I don't like the lack of an agreed, open source, format for texts (I don't object to copyright control, that could be done with a published standard in a number of ways). I really don't like proprietary standards. I don't need different specs to read books by different publishers.
Greg Kerr
screen #
Posted Monday 9th February 2009 15:58 GMT
Excuse my ignorance but why doesn't the screen take up more of the available space?
hammarbtyp
Looks better #
Posted Monday 9th February 2009 15:58 GMT
Looks better than the space 1999 prop reject that the original was. However I would of preferred a larger screen, with a slide out keyboard. The big question is will it support native PDF files without conversion?
Ian Ferguson
Ugh #
Posted Monday 9th February 2009 15:58 GMT
Still looks awful. What's the point of a keyboard on a reading device? Surely an on-screen keyboard would be much more suitable?
Bad Beaver
I feel young again #
Posted Monday 9th February 2009 15:58 GMT
The last time I saw those keys must have been on a calculator back in the late 80s... is there a price for "most unergonomic key layout in a consumer device"? Amazon must be after it. I also wonder why the wasted space around the display is getting bigger and bigger. All in all, they are moving. I can't say improving as the first Kindle looked like a 70s prop from STAR WARS and this one like novelty crap from the 80s but not necessarily any better.
Robert Grant
Exciting! #
Posted Monday 9th February 2009 15:58 GMT
I'm after the following functionality:
o Lend/give a book to a friend, no charge
o Leave it on the beach on a towel while I go in the sea without sand breaking it or it being nicked
o Infinite battery
o Can pick up books dirt-cheap at a second-hand bookshop
Can I do that stuff yet?
Darren
Kindle Smindle #
Posted Monday 9th February 2009 15:58 GMT
These look very similar to the "concept" images of the Kindle from a few years ago??!!
Mike Richards
Well it's official #
Posted Monday 9th February 2009 16:53 GMT
And it's still for the US only and there's no ePub support - possibly the most tied device since the original iPod.
Robert Moore
Why #
Posted Monday 9th February 2009 16:53 GMT
I just can't understand why anyone would want to read a book on this when you can just read a book. The only thing I could ever think of using this for would be technical books where a search function might be helpful.
The index is only as good as the person who wrote it.
That said I would not pay over $50 for such a device.
Has anyone ported Linux to it yet?
Brian
story on amazon.com home page. #
Posted Monday 9th February 2009 17:19 GMT
pre-order now:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00154JDAI/ref=amb_link_83626371_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=gateway-center-column&pf_rd_r=0KYPWVYXK1J7V3B67EV8&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=469548931&pf_rd_i=507846
Bad Beaver
re: Robert Moore #
Posted Monday 9th February 2009 20:59 GMT
Because some folks actually have to leave the house every once and so often and like/need to take their books with them, as in not just one or two but many big, heavy volumes. Ever reflected on that? It is true that an e-book reader can never truly replace a real book, especially not that of nicely made one, yet it is also true that an e-book reader removes a lot of the pain and hassle from the experience when it comes to having your book with you. Again, the Kindle is not that device. It is incredibly tied and underfeatured. Any device with easy, free PDF support surpasses it, not even to speak of those with a touchscreen allowing—behold!—to actually do some real work on them, beyond painfully tapping in some notes.
Mike
at the Why people #
Posted Monday 9th February 2009 20:59 GMT
The reason Why ebook readers are a cool idea is that books are inefficient -- you have to go to a bookstore to buy them or have them shipped. You have to carry them around and they're relatively heavy and take up a lot of space.
Here are a couple of the use cases where the Kindle would be very cool:
* You live in a country where they speak language X, but your native tongue is Y, so you can't buy books in Y easilly.
* You want to read the newspaper everyday, but delivery of the paper is not available.
* You travel but don't want to bring everything you MIGHT want to read.
Al Jones
eBooks more espensive than their paper equivalents #
Posted Monday 9th February 2009 20:59 GMT
Particularly for "mass market" titles, the eBook version is often only available from the publisher. They typically offer a 10% discount for the electronic version, while you can pick up a physical copy at your book store for 20% or 30% off the publishers price.
The first book I checked on Amazon (Liberty: A Lake Wobegon Novel), costs $11.44 on the Kindle, and $10.20 in the dead-tree edition. Other titles are slightly cheaper, but not enough to justify the huge premium for the device itself, unless you spend a lot of money at Amazon already.
Bad Beaver
Re: eBooks more espensive than their paper equivalents #
Posted Tuesday 10th February 2009 00:59 GMT
I am still convinced that every dead-tree edition should come with the e-book included *for free*.