"Sony's 360° 3D display could be used for videocalls" #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 12:32 GMT
I really cannot remember the last time I took a video call from an animated yellow cartoon dog. (are Sony saying that they've managed to get Microsoft Bob running on the thing).
I guess this is a slab of LCD possibly at a 45 degree angle rotating rapidly inside the tube? If so, they are not the first to take this approach. I have seen it done with lasers bounced off of a spinning mirror in the past.
Errr...The 80s!! You must be crazy...Try the 20s The development of 3d tv stopped in the 70s and has only really started to become mainstream again. Imagine if we hadn't have had that huge development gap We'd all be enjoying Cheryl Cole on xfactor a hell of alot more than we already do!
has anyone ever said "this new 40" set is great but I can't seem to see the picture when I'm standing behind it, I wish it had a 360 degree viewing angle"?
Are there families who would place their TV in the middle of a room and then all sit around it in a circle if only it were technically possible? Wouldn't wanna visit their place for dinner
I saw that laser/rotating mirror configuration too.
I suspect that is not the case with this device. Sony should be all too aware that a display device with huge moving parts such as that are destined to failiure.
Don't forget the lesson learnt with John Logie Baird Vs. Philo Fanrsworth. Mechanical TV was never going to take off.
Pre-empting pedantry: Yes, the race between the two technologies was ended prematurely when Bairds half of Crystal Palace burnt down, but by that point it was a forgone conclusion the the EMI-Marconi system was superior in every respect.
y'all are thinking too small. If they can get this to be _true_ 360 3D, so that a viewer can see different angles of the object depending on where he is (and I say 'he' with malice aforethought) and if they can bring the costs of actually producing such content down to a reasonable level, then the porn industry will have lots of fun with it. 360 degree 3D rumpy-pumpy!
Shortly after that George Lucas will re-release the Star Wars movies in 360 3D WrapAround You-Are-There-Vision. i feel a disturbance in the Force...
And then there'll be Halo 3D from Your Friends at Microsoft.
Wasnt there a video game in the 90's that tried to do this? Cant remember what it was called though some 3 inch high chick would (appear to) stand on a glass panel.
It wouldn't work with LCDs as they are _far_ to slow for that. For a little toy mechanical scanning television would work, after all the Japaneese also made the home VTR reliable which is also scanning it's images.
It's probably OLED as that's a cheap and fairly evergy efficient technology.
There's of course also the possibility for real holographic television. For this you'd needed an image sensor and a reflective display of about the same size. Both would need pixels no larger than a few micrometers, ideally only a few nanometers.
Now on the transmitter you take a laser beam, widen it, split it into 2 parts. You let one be reflected by the object and let the other get to your image sensor directly. On the sensor a interference pattern will appear.
Now on the reciever you let a widened laser beam shine on your reflective display (scale the wavelength if it's not the same size as the transmitting sensor). It will reflect on the spots you previously had constructive interference at. Those spots would create a new waveform just like the original one.
It's simple in principle, but it's hard to get terapixel sensors and displays.
"We'd all be enjoying Cheryl Cole on xfactor a hell of alot more than we already do!" - yeah, I was enjoying Cheryl Cole right up to the point the talentless bint opened her damn mouth to sing! I'd rather listen to Simon Cowell recite the phone book. In Brum!
The video game was called Time Traveler and was marketed as the World's First Holographic Game (or something). It was done by the same bloke who did Dragon's Lair (Rick Dyer - I think) and used a big curved mirror and a TV screen behind some smoked glass. There was a spin-off IIRC which was like Barbarian, but not as good.
I now guess that it's an OLED display with a lens array in front of it so the image is only visible from a narrow range of directions. That way you could display a different image for each direction. You could also easily feed it from cameras. Either by putting dozends of cameras around your subject or by putting fewer cameras and interpolating.
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"Sony's 360° 3D display could be used for videocalls" #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 12:32 GMT
I really cannot remember the last time I took a video call from an animated yellow cartoon dog. (are Sony saying that they've managed to get Microsoft Bob running on the thing).
Anonymous Coward
cool !! #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 12:32 GMT
+1 sony
Matthew 17
Fail #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 12:32 GMT
No-one wanted 3D TV/Cinema in the 80's when it was new, why does anyone think they will now?
Anonymous Coward
Rotating LCD? #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 12:32 GMT
I guess this is a slab of LCD possibly at a 45 degree angle rotating rapidly inside the tube? If so, they are not the first to take this approach. I have seen it done with lasers bounced off of a spinning mirror in the past.
Anonymous Coward
3d videophone? #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 12:32 GMT
How would you get a suitable input image?
Wind Farmer
120xTri-nitron-Degrees? #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 12:32 GMT
After telling us we needer a flatter, squarer tube, they've only gone and mucked it up......
pedrodude
Regardless of whether it's really 360°... #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 12:32 GMT
...It's still a nifty piece of industrial design. Even if it is just a limited viewing angle led screen wrapped around a pole.
Anonymous Coward
@Matthew 17 #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 13:10 GMT
Errr...The 80s!! You must be crazy...Try the 20s The development of 3d tv stopped in the 70s and has only really started to become mainstream again. Imagine if we hadn't have had that huge development gap We'd all be enjoying Cheryl Cole on xfactor a hell of alot more than we already do!
edwardecl
Pretty awesome... #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 13:10 GMT
I don't think anyone is going to use with as a TV... just imagine a 50" version... of this how much of the room would it take up.
But think of the other applications...
You could have an animated fish aquarium and crap like that great for the gadget shop ^^.
But I don't want to know how expensive this will be :(.
Bernie 2
the point being? #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 16:36 GMT
has anyone ever said "this new 40" set is great but I can't seem to see the picture when I'm standing behind it, I wish it had a 360 degree viewing angle"?
Are there families who would place their TV in the middle of a room and then all sit around it in a circle if only it were technically possible? Wouldn't wanna visit their place for dinner
Jan 13
@Matthew 17 AND the AC who responded #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 16:36 GMT
The 20's to 80s technology that you're thinking of is stereoscopy.
It's true that Sony isn't the first to try 3D moving images, but it is very recent technology.
Previously only still image holograms (1960s technology) could do 3D.
Steroscopy gives an illusion of depth by showing different 2D images to each eye.
Stereoscopy has a single point of view and a single (optimum) viewing distance.
A 3D image gives the illusion of both depth and parallax, even if you only use one eye.
3D images change when you change your point of view or viewing distance.
I'd like to see this scaled up at least 20 times:)
DeFex
POV #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 16:36 GMT
I expect its a spinning 2d array of LEDs which turn on and off at the right time.
Psymon
@rotating LCD #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 16:36 GMT
I saw that laser/rotating mirror configuration too.
I suspect that is not the case with this device. Sony should be all too aware that a display device with huge moving parts such as that are destined to failiure.
Don't forget the lesson learnt with John Logie Baird Vs. Philo Fanrsworth. Mechanical TV was never going to take off.
Pre-empting pedantry: Yes, the race between the two technologies was ended prematurely when Bairds half of Crystal Palace burnt down, but by that point it was a forgone conclusion the the EMI-Marconi system was superior in every respect.
James O'Shea
thinking too small #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 16:36 GMT
y'all are thinking too small. If they can get this to be _true_ 360 3D, so that a viewer can see different angles of the object depending on where he is (and I say 'he' with malice aforethought) and if they can bring the costs of actually producing such content down to a reasonable level, then the porn industry will have lots of fun with it. 360 degree 3D rumpy-pumpy!
Shortly after that George Lucas will re-release the Star Wars movies in 360 3D WrapAround You-Are-There-Vision. i feel a disturbance in the Force...
And then there'll be Halo 3D from Your Friends at Microsoft.
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Tony Humphreys
A little late? #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 16:36 GMT
Wasnt there a video game in the 90's that tried to do this? Cant remember what it was called though some 3 inch high chick would (appear to) stand on a glass panel.
Anthony Shortland
@A little late #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 20:38 GMT
Yes there was an arcade game like this - I was going to post the same thing.
No idea how it worked but I remember being extremely impressed at the time. No idea why the technology didnt catch on.
Christian Berger
Moving OLED #
Posted Monday 19th October 2009 20:38 GMT
It wouldn't work with LCDs as they are _far_ to slow for that. For a little toy mechanical scanning television would work, after all the Japaneese also made the home VTR reliable which is also scanning it's images.
It's probably OLED as that's a cheap and fairly evergy efficient technology.
There's of course also the possibility for real holographic television. For this you'd needed an image sensor and a reflective display of about the same size. Both would need pixels no larger than a few micrometers, ideally only a few nanometers.
Now on the transmitter you take a laser beam, widen it, split it into 2 parts. You let one be reflected by the object and let the other get to your image sensor directly. On the sensor a interference pattern will appear.
Now on the reciever you let a widened laser beam shine on your reflective display (scale the wavelength if it's not the same size as the transmitting sensor). It will reflect on the spots you previously had constructive interference at. Those spots would create a new waveform just like the original one.
It's simple in principle, but it's hard to get terapixel sensors and displays.
LuMan
@ '@Matthew17' AND 'A Little Late' #
Posted Tuesday 20th October 2009 11:36 GMT
"We'd all be enjoying Cheryl Cole on xfactor a hell of alot more than we already do!" - yeah, I was enjoying Cheryl Cole right up to the point the talentless bint opened her damn mouth to sing! I'd rather listen to Simon Cowell recite the phone book. In Brum!
The video game was called Time Traveler and was marketed as the World's First Holographic Game (or something). It was done by the same bloke who did Dragon's Lair (Rick Dyer - I think) and used a big curved mirror and a TV screen behind some smoked glass. There was a spin-off IIRC which was like Barbarian, but not as good.
Stef 1
Tony Humphreys / Anthony Shortland #
Posted Tuesday 20th October 2009 11:36 GMT
Sega's Time Traveler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Traveler_(video_game)
For your reading pleasure.
Christian Berger
Better guess #
Posted Tuesday 20th October 2009 11:36 GMT
I now guess that it's an OLED display with a lens array in front of it so the image is only visible from a narrow range of directions. That way you could display a different image for each direction. You could also easily feed it from cameras. Either by putting dozends of cameras around your subject or by putting fewer cameras and interpolating.
Anonymous Coward
3D TV needs pr0n #
Posted Friday 23rd October 2009 09:07 GMT
Without the porn industry on-board, 3D TV will never succeed.
Once there's a load of boobs and arse to view in 3D then it'll take off and be a worthy investment.