Meh, lack of raw and slow glass make it a no-no at that price.
I am too used to being able to recover shadow/highlight detail now, and shoot handheld in less than floodlit conditions. You expect an awful lot of camera for that price, these days, competition is stiff.
I disagree that having all the aperture stops available is a weakness. Given the small size of the sensor, there is hardly any depth of field control to be attained by such a feature.
Compact cameras have a come a long way in the past few years, and now that shutter-lag has been addressed and wider-angles are the norm, the next challenges left are:
I like scones in general, but the best were at the canteen of my last job. They looked exactly like the one in the sample shot. One of the few things from that job I really miss.
For low light shooting and solid dynamic range, the Ricoh GR DIgital 3 is nothing short of stunning- even if it does cheat by effectively having a prime lens..
A bit of a specialist/niche compact, but really rather nice..
"For low light shooting and solid dynamic range, the Ricoh GR DIgital 3 is nothing short of stunning- even if it does cheat by effectively having a prime lens.."
"Effectively"? It's a 6mm f/1.9 prime lens. No "effectively" about it, unless you mean in the sense that "it has a prime lens and this makes it an effective camera".
There is clearly a horses for courses argument here.
A compact camera is designed to be a simple to operate, point and shoot device. It should be intuitive in use where any user control is needed, and user control should ideally be kept to a minimum.
The target market is someone who wants a simple camera and will probably not be interested or know about the technicalities.
These requirements do not mean that there is no need for enhanced features, just that they should be deployed in an intuitive manner that is easily understood by the novice, or possibly even deployed automatically. Providing a superb picture is the goal.
If you require the versatility of RAW format, you understand why you want it and you have the programs to get the most out of it (Photoshop et al) then you don't need a compact camera, with all the restriction in capability the design and the small sensor gives.
This sort of criticism is as relevant as saying that the only problem with a £2000 Nikon DSLR is that it wouldn't fit in a shirt pocket.
Reading between the lines it would seem that there is plenty of scope to criticise the intuitive nature of the interface - simply apply the mother in law test!
"If you require the versatility of RAW format, you understand why you want it and you have the programs to get the most out of it (Photoshop et al) then you don't need a compact camera, with all the restriction in capability the design and the small sensor gives."
Not true; just look at the market for high-end compacts like the Panasonic LX3, Canon G11 or aforementioned Ricoh GRD3 - all compact cameras with full manual control, raw, and other features wanted/needed by advanced users. Furthermore, raw is more precisely about control over the final image: tonality, colour reproduction, that sort of thing. It's better in that images can be made to more accurately conform to the photographer's vision, rather than because of any measurable technical benefit.
"This sort of criticism is as relevant as saying that the only problem with a £2000 Nikon DSLR is that it wouldn't fit in a shirt pocket."
There's nothing wrong with wanting the image- and build-quality of such a camera in a more compact form factor, hence the introduction of Micro 4/3, and cameras like the Leica X1.
"If you require the versatility of RAW format, you understand why you want it and you have the programs to get the most out of it (Photoshop et al) then you don't need a compact camera, with all the restriction in capability the design and the small sensor gives."
You've been living under a stone for the last few years then, yeah?
In P Mode, when you set image size to M (6mp), you will be able to use DR400 while using ISO100. If you are not in 6MP mode then you are not taking advantage of the EXR hardware capabilities of the sensor. The big advantage here is that you can take full advantage of 400% DR without any increase in noise (higher ISO). Even in DR Mode (if set to M - 6MP) you can go to DR800 in ISO200.
When setting image size to L (12mp) the DR is achieived by increasing ISO. This is a software solution and is not any different that what many other cameras are capable of. This also introduced more noise. I believe this is what the review did based on his commment of ISO increasing when using higher DR.
Anonymous Coward
Close, but no cigar #
Posted Wednesday 18th November 2009 14:52 GMT
Meh, lack of raw and slow glass make it a no-no at that price.
I am too used to being able to recover shadow/highlight detail now, and shoot handheld in less than floodlit conditions. You expect an awful lot of camera for that price, these days, competition is stiff.
Anonymous Coward
Aperture Priority on a Compact? #
Posted Wednesday 18th November 2009 14:52 GMT
I disagree that having all the aperture stops available is a weakness. Given the small size of the sensor, there is hardly any depth of field control to be attained by such a feature.
Compact cameras have a come a long way in the past few years, and now that shutter-lag has been addressed and wider-angles are the norm, the next challenges left are:
-low noise/high ISO shooting
-improved dynamic range
-Raw output
The Fuji goes a long way on the first two.
Andrew Moore
FD? #
Posted Wednesday 18th November 2009 16:03 GMT
Does this model still have Face Dectection/Red Eye removal???
John 62
my favourite type of scone! #
Posted Wednesday 18th November 2009 16:03 GMT
I like scones in general, but the best were at the canteen of my last job. They looked exactly like the one in the sample shot. One of the few things from that job I really miss.
Anonymous Coward
Take a look at.. #
Posted Wednesday 18th November 2009 16:03 GMT
For low light shooting and solid dynamic range, the Ricoh GR DIgital 3 is nothing short of stunning- even if it does cheat by effectively having a prime lens..
A bit of a specialist/niche compact, but really rather nice..
caerphoto
Effective #
Posted Wednesday 18th November 2009 22:15 GMT
"For low light shooting and solid dynamic range, the Ricoh GR DIgital 3 is nothing short of stunning- even if it does cheat by effectively having a prime lens.."
"Effectively"? It's a 6mm f/1.9 prime lens. No "effectively" about it, unless you mean in the sense that "it has a prime lens and this makes it an effective camera".
Anonymous Coward
Can we keep the fault finding relevant please #
Posted Wednesday 18th November 2009 22:15 GMT
There is clearly a horses for courses argument here.
A compact camera is designed to be a simple to operate, point and shoot device. It should be intuitive in use where any user control is needed, and user control should ideally be kept to a minimum.
The target market is someone who wants a simple camera and will probably not be interested or know about the technicalities.
These requirements do not mean that there is no need for enhanced features, just that they should be deployed in an intuitive manner that is easily understood by the novice, or possibly even deployed automatically. Providing a superb picture is the goal.
If you require the versatility of RAW format, you understand why you want it and you have the programs to get the most out of it (Photoshop et al) then you don't need a compact camera, with all the restriction in capability the design and the small sensor gives.
This sort of criticism is as relevant as saying that the only problem with a £2000 Nikon DSLR is that it wouldn't fit in a shirt pocket.
Reading between the lines it would seem that there is plenty of scope to criticise the intuitive nature of the interface - simply apply the mother in law test!
caerphoto
High-end compacts #
Posted Thursday 19th November 2009 14:16 GMT
"If you require the versatility of RAW format, you understand why you want it and you have the programs to get the most out of it (Photoshop et al) then you don't need a compact camera, with all the restriction in capability the design and the small sensor gives."
Not true; just look at the market for high-end compacts like the Panasonic LX3, Canon G11 or aforementioned Ricoh GRD3 - all compact cameras with full manual control, raw, and other features wanted/needed by advanced users. Furthermore, raw is more precisely about control over the final image: tonality, colour reproduction, that sort of thing. It's better in that images can be made to more accurately conform to the photographer's vision, rather than because of any measurable technical benefit.
"This sort of criticism is as relevant as saying that the only problem with a £2000 Nikon DSLR is that it wouldn't fit in a shirt pocket."
There's nothing wrong with wanting the image- and build-quality of such a camera in a more compact form factor, hence the introduction of Micro 4/3, and cameras like the Leica X1.
Anonymous Coward
@ Andrew Moore #
Posted Thursday 19th November 2009 14:16 GMT
@ Andrew Moore - I've got one and yes it does has face detection and red eye removal. ;)
If your into diving I bought this camera and the underwater housing for £370. Seems to work very well.
http://www.waterfrontscuba.com/acatalog/Fuji_Digital_Cameras_and_Underwater_Housings.html
JH
Anonymous Coward
@AC Wednesday 18th November 2009 19:37 GMT #
Posted Thursday 19th November 2009 16:11 GMT
"If you require the versatility of RAW format, you understand why you want it and you have the programs to get the most out of it (Photoshop et al) then you don't need a compact camera, with all the restriction in capability the design and the small sensor gives."
You've been living under a stone for the last few years then, yeah?
Anonymous Coward
P mode has more flexibility #
Posted Friday 20th November 2009 16:29 GMT
In P Mode, when you set image size to M (6mp), you will be able to use DR400 while using ISO100. If you are not in 6MP mode then you are not taking advantage of the EXR hardware capabilities of the sensor. The big advantage here is that you can take full advantage of 400% DR without any increase in noise (higher ISO). Even in DR Mode (if set to M - 6MP) you can go to DR800 in ISO200.
When setting image size to L (12mp) the DR is achieived by increasing ISO. This is a software solution and is not any different that what many other cameras are capable of. This also introduced more noise. I believe this is what the review did based on his commment of ISO increasing when using higher DR.
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